A problem well stated is a problem half-solved.
Charles Kettering
Charles Franklin Kettering (August 29, 1876 – November 25, 1958) sometimes known as Charles Fredrick Kettering[1] was an American inventor, engineer, businessman, and the holder of 186 patents.[2] He was a founder of Delco, and was head of research at General Motors from 1920 to 1947. Among his most widely used automotive developments were the electrical starting motor[3] and leaded gasoline.[4] In association with the DuPont Chemical Company, he was also responsible for the invention of Freon refrigerant for refrigeration and air conditioning systems. At DuPont he also was responsible for the development of Duco lacquers and enamels, the first practical colored paints for mass-produced automobiles. While working with the Dayton-Wright Company he developed the “Bug” aerial torpedo, considered the world’s first aerial missile.[5] He led the advancement of practical, lightweight two-stroke diesel engines, revolutionizing the locomotive and heavy equipment industries. In 1927, he founded the Kettering Foundation, a non-partisan research foundation, and was featured on the cover of Time magazine in January 1933.
Back in the days of usenet if I had a Linux problem I would carefully research the issue while composing a post asking how to solve it. I needed to make sure I covered every possible option so that people would know just how odd the problem was and that I had taken every reasonable step to fix it. And this was how I hardly ever had to post anything because this process almost always found the answer.
That happened to me a lot when I was thinking about asking for help on reddit and usually if I got to the point that I still have to ask it’s hopeless anyway. Pretty sure I only got actual help that solved a problem one time over the years.
I had a winmodem issue on a laptop that Acer forgot they made that dogged made for 2 years. No answer available. And then one day the answer just popped up. I had to go back and find my original posts and edit them to include the solution.
Good on you for going back to update your posts with the solution you found. The internet needs more of that.
My tag line is “I am from the internet. I’m here to help.” It comes with certain responsibilities.
More specifically:
There’s a reason cs50’s ai assistant/tutor is a duck :p
It’s called HAI “Human Artificial Intelligence”
In programming we use a rubber ducky for this
Is anyone who uses AI just an “AI folk” now?
People who are using it to solve problems which require equivalent effort of writing a sufficient prompt and just directly solving it without AI at all for sure are AI folk.
Yes
I’ve seen some people on Twitter complain that their coworkers use ChatGPT to write emails or summarize text. To me this just echoes the complaints made by previous generations against phones and calculators. There’s a lot of vitriol directed at anyone who isn’t staunchly anti AI and dares to use a convenient tool that’s avaliable to them.
I’m not on twitter, but frankly the strongly anti-AI I see is often from techy places. HN and lemmy are two main ones.
HN?
Hacker News probably
Thanks.
I think my main issue with that use case is that it’s a “solution” to a relatively minor problem (which has a far simpler solution), that actually compounds the problem.
Let’s say I don’t want to write prose for my email, I have a list of bullet points I want to get across. Awesome, I feed it into the chat gippity and boom, my points are (hopefully) property represented in prose.
Now, the recipient doesn’t want to read prose. ESPECIALLY if it’s the fluffy wordy-internet-recipe-preamble that the chat gippity tends to produce. They want a bullet point summary. So they feed it into the chat gippity to get what is (hopefully) a properly condensed bullet point summary.
So, suddenly we have introduced a fallible middle translation layer for actually no reason.
Just write the clear bullet point email in the first place. Save everyone the time. Save everyone from the 2 chances for the chat gippity to fuck it up.
Case in point with you already having a downvote xD
Edit: Lmao
Not in my opinion. I would say “AI people” are those who believe in it too much or evangelize it
I think it’s better at explaining beliefs than science is, and has been shown to be by art throughout history.
Try watching the Haruhi anime or Your Name.
Or any sci fi.
Or fantasy.
The LLMs of today are a useful tool, but they are far from conscious.
They basically are. You should watch Youtube right now. Watch Dream play modern Minecraft.
Are you implying that dream is an AI? Or do people like, upload AI copies of him?
If it’s the former, that’s absurd. If it’s the latter, that doesn’t prove consciousness. AI voice replication is done by text to speech. A conscious human would type out what the voice should say.
Yeah. Well done. Keep questioning this stuff. I haven’t got too far yet either
I work in the tech industry so I am forced to understand new technologies. This one is unique in that it plays on the human brain’s innate tendency to anthropomorphize things.
It also does a great job of presenting information
I wish it wasn’t true but yah. they consult ai for everything.
I don’t have the equipment or cybernetics to have this title yet.
Learn to be a wizard who preaches strange titles and runes online to manipulate social media
Doesn’t have anything to do with AI. This is normal in any context where you’re asking another party for help.
But sure, people who use AI have never considered thinking before /s
Quantum mechanics builds up similar systems of logic.
To be fair, I’ve written countless stack overflow posts detailing my problems in hope someone would be able to spot the mistake or error only for me to realize what it was along the way and never even submitting it.
And I didn’t even need a 🦆 for it
You needed a duck. You used one. It didn’t really look like a duck but it served the same purpose.
Education has really failed to impress upon people the importance of asking questions. It’s amazing how much time is wasted on making people learn answers to questions they don’t even know how to ask.
I don’t think that’s why questions aren’t asked. I find questions aren’t asked because of ego. Nobody wants to look like they don’t know things. Lots of people will judge others for asking questions. I’m a question guy and it always surprised me how other people just knew things and didn’t ask questions. But I soon started to realize that they don’t know as much as they want others to think. They just have a high value for more independent thinking.
The most valuable tool I ever got (as a tutor/teacher) was Socratic Questioning. Students not only benefit from its application but it also helps to impress upon them the value (and relative skill) to asking thoughtful questions.
I don’t mean to sound like a Mom for Liberty, but to my mind, the American public education system (probably others) is not about developing intelligence but rather preparing children for work and keeping them busy/safe while their parents work, and I’d argue it’s not very good at its primary function. The ones who escape with curiosity, capacity, and confidence intact are woefully rare if you care about power to the people and thankfully rare if you care about keeping people easy to control.
On top of that, it doesn’t even do a good job of preparing kids for work since the majority of jobs will be in a team based environment while schools focus on individual/isolated learning almost exclusively.
The modern school system was largely developed around the early 1900s with the intent of creating factory line workers: people who could remember and perform 2 or 3 repetitive tasks. This is further compounded by the rise of standardized testing, which provides a good base level for quality of subjects across the range of individual teacher’s skills but has become an administrative crutch that puts test scores above everything else, leading to a cycle where kids are taught only to remember stuff long enough to pass the next test and then dump it from memory for the next set of test subjects.
Schooling needs a major revision from the ground up for the modern age.
Doofenshmirtz and his writers would have thought in the same way to construct alien sci-fi tech.
Yeah, it’s a well known technique in programming called “rubber duck debugging”.
The process of explaining the situation forces you to think about it in a different way, which can help you with the debugging.
But, nobody actually credits the duck when it works. It’s weird that this guy seems to want to credit ChatGPT
Is it just me or is this a really weird way of repeating what the OP said? He even used the duck emoji for clarity…
This is how symbolism worked in the Bible. It taught peace, love and prosperity through gaining knowledge over time.
Monero (or XMR) will be the new good, holy currency used by Christians far in the future. That’s because it’s based on strong encryption algorithms and can be used to commit “crimes”. I may have used it this way in the past, depending on how national and international border systems worked.
You can rubber duck debug any logic system or truth statement, and it’s a far more elegant way to think than just old sciences based on Newton laws.
Consider posting the problem along with the answer.That way you can shown the right path to other people.
The ultimate “I solved it”.
yeah, if it’s something that other people can actually profit from I usually post it anyway, but most of the time it’s “oh goddamn, there’s two commas in line 72 where there should only be one” kinda stuff
What a feature. Blueskyians really don’t like birdsite.
Also, hope somebody finds this comment (& Lemmy) via web search
Possible Twitter screenshot
Yea I sometimes use LLM chatbots as a rubber duck.
They are 10y behind, I discovered thinking while 12y old and have been igoring it for 20y. Comes handy in a pinch, leaving all others mindblown.
Children do it easily, but adults forget and must rely on simple scientific thought.
I got tired of getting basic examples as answers.
Now I write the class and add pseudo code and comments, it works a bit better.
Maybe the real artificial intelligence is the regular intelligence we found along the way.
NOOOOOOOO BRO
YOU GOTTA TRY THIS AI I PUT IN MY DIGITAL ALARM CLOCK
That would be a lot like the computer on the spaceship in Red Dwarf, though.
AI alarm cock.
AI clock would be sweet.
Knows I slept through an alarm or forgot to set it and wakes me up or suggests the right time to set alarms based on traffic conditions
Reminded of one of the most welcome kind of message to pop up on my screen
Traff… Right, no public transport.
