Now that we have final numbers. It appears that Harris had all the white & black support she needed for an EC victory. But Trump outright flipping Latino men and making huge gains with Latino women seems to have made all the difference.
What do you think?
First image is 2024, second is 2020.
Democrats failed to solve people’s issues. That’s just it.
But Americans are in for a hard awakening if they think that in general Latin American population is progressive or left leaning. And that democrats have their guaranteed vote.
Each person is different, of course. And the average doesn’t change any person individual values.
But on average Latin American countries tend to have overwhelming conservative cultures when compared with USA/Europe.
This doesn’t negate any Latin American person who is progressive, of course. Just talking about averages and the reality that was shown by the polls.
In general Democrats, and any left leaning party, think that because they defend immigrants, immigrants will support them by default. This has been shown far from the truth. If someone have conservative values they will probably vote for a conservative party. That’s just it. One person won’t become progressive (as in stopping being sexist or transphobic) just because they moved from one country to another. An immigrant is a whole person with their own sets of values, both before and after they migrate, and won’t be reduced to “being an immigrant” when voting, specially once they are legally settled in a place and their residence won’t be at risk, they will just vote for their values. If they have conservative values they’ll vote conservative if they have progressive values they’ll vote progressive.
Many legal immigrants get pissed if you conflate them with illegal immigrants. They try very hard distance themselves from those people. Couple that with pervasive machismo and Catholic ignorance and this is what you get.
Actually beautiful comment. Thank you.
Kamala lost because the Dems didn’t show up. Again. Look at the number of votes for 2020 vs 2024. All those “undecided” and “obstainers” that didn’t just stay home. They didn’t bother doing a mail in.
Second highest voter turnout in the US. A difference of only 2,624,285 as per University of Florida estimates so far (the number is likely to go down).
This excuse is getting old.
One, you are assuming people who did not vote would vote dems.
Two, you are pushing blame to the voters who did not show up (and based on the lack of choice it is wild so many showed up)
Three, by pushing that blame on to voters you are almost asking for this to happen again. (By letting the dems keep being crap, pissing off voters, and getting people angry at their neighbours helps the republicans)
First, an explanation isn’t an excuse. It’s a reason. It doesn’t make it okay, it doesn’t place or shift blame, it just correctly points something out.
In this case, Trump broadly received the same number of votes as he did 4 years ago, while the Democrats got millions fewer.
There’s no assumption there, it’s just an observation.
It’s not pushing or assigning blame. Maybe they didn’t vote because they were lazy. Maybe they didn’t vote because they didn’t like Harris. Maybe they didn’t vote because they didn’t like the process by which she became the nominee. Maybe they didn’t vote because they’ve lost faith in the entire system.
Regardless of reason, and regardless of how any observer decides to interpret it or assign blame, the facts speak for themselves.
Your explanation ignores the root cause of the issue. People stayed home because the Democrats and Kamala failed to motivate them to go.
Yes, we are comparing the numbers to the highest voter turn out (which was last election). Biden was able to move 6-7 million more people to vote than Kamala, whereas Trump got about the same as he got in 2020.
Voters have to take some responsibility here. Trump’s base are all being con’d because they are ignorant on how most of the world works beyond their own backyard. Its possible that this is partly true for the 6-7 million people who didn’t vote this election cycle.
The issue isn’t so much that they didn’t vote for Kamala, but rather they did not have the ability to recognize Trump as the con that he is. Me being of average intelligence feels like this should have been easy to decipher.
Biden was able to move 6-7 million more people to vote than Kamala, whereas Trump got about the same as he got in 2020.
Trump got more votes then Kamala, that is how elections work. There was not 6-7 million people not voting (2.6 million delta from 2020), but more people showed up for the orange man and this blaming non-voters is just lame.
It is also crazy that I lived long enough to see more Latino men vote Republican than white women 😂
Do some rough math say there are 200,000,000 total eligible voters.
2024 would have 12,000,000 male Latino voters 2020 would have 10,000,000 based on the 3rd column
Even if 100% went left to right at most you have a 12M shift.
That shift though in absolute numbers was far less than that though based on the R/D split, so not a tremendous impact over all.
There was just a lot less people showing up over all for any reason.
I don’t think you can answer that question from those numbers. They are percentages. The difference they make depends a lot on the total population in each group.
Decades of under-education could only lead to shit. But even for a cynical asshole.like me, your country electing the best friend of the most notorious pedo, after he tried to overtake the previous election is quite something.
The culture war means more than that.
No one shifted to the right, they just refused to keep going left. This was an election won by the center.
Brother. Reread what you just posted.
I know! Let’s blame EVERYBODY. That way nobody is left out and we can just admit we ALL fucked up so next time we can constructively work together to NOT fuck up instead of slinging mud at each other for the next four years.
not gonna happen. harris supporters still think genociding and massive wealth inequalities are okay. dems have lost my vote nationally until they start supporting labor and stop fucking warmongering.
Congrats on your surplus privilege! But I have some bad news for you…
You really dont. I’ve been expecting this for almost an entire year now. Only way to fix the dems is to toss them in the trash at this point.
Only way to fix the dems is to toss them in the trash at this point.
Right because when something’s broken you don’t fix it, you just throw it away.
Good luck with the alternative.
Yes, that’s what you do when the effort required to fix something is more than the effort to replace it. And only thing I need to do to replace the DNC is just let it continue doing its stupid shit and people will continue to abandon it opening the path to other options.
Will you shake your fists angrily and exclaim that “someone ought to do something” ?
No? I’ll simply continue voting for good people (when they run) and telling dweebs like yourself why their candidate is still fucking trash as usual. eventually it’ll sink it. In no way is refusing to support the democratic party due to current behavior a statement about no longer being politically active.
But based on current trends looks like the DNC is probably done nationally unless they actually have a come to jesus moment as a group which based on past behavior is terribly unlikely.
Based and blue pilled
lol, I already took the red pill ages ago. I’m just done exploring the rabbit hole, either people wake up or they dont. I’ll pay just enough attention to know when i need to be there to push but otherwise meh. the DNC and its supporters are just not worth helping anymore.
Need some titles on those columns. I’m guessing red/blue are the usual party colors, but what is the 3rd?
The biggest factor really is disengagement. There where millions who where involved in 2020 that just skipped out this time.
3rd is the percentage of the vote amongst all demographics.
Why are columns 1 & 2 shifter between the two images? Makes comparison harder.
The winner is always on the left. But yeah I get it.
The 3rd column might be the relative share of citizens or registered voters.
Please be careful whenever you ask these questions. It’s so easy to blame one single minority group for a widespread failure. Of course analysis of individual voting groups is legitimate, as long as you properly frame what you’re doing.
This is a serious issue both because of the connection with racism (i.e., it’s the Latinos’ fault) and abdication of responsibility (i.e., we bear no responsibility).
“Are we out of touch with our core voters?”
“No, it’s the voters who are wrong”.
This will probably be how the Democrats regroup after the loss.
I don’t think anyone shifted right. They just didn’t want whatever it was that Harris was selling.
Ummm, yes they did. Latino male turnout went up 1%. More of them voted this election than 2020. Which means they shifted right.
Non sequitur, there are many analyses of the party change and they don’t all boil down to left vs right.
The percentage of all Latino voters going up between 2020 and 2024 doesn’t necessarily mean there was more turn out from Latinos; if the voter demographics have shifted between 2020 and 2024 so that Latinos make up 1% more of the population, then they are still turning out at the exact same per capita rate as before, as a group.
Which sounds like a short time, but that’s a small shift and plenty of people turn 18 every day.
dude, if they voted right, they shifted right, that’s what the word shifted means
Shifted right means their policy preferences moved right. That is not the entirety of why someone votes a given way. Some probably did shift right. Others may have thought Trump had better hair. It’s an analog world and you have to dive into the weeds to understand things. You can’t look at one number and think it explains everything.
To actually answer the post title you’d have to go state by state in the swing states to see if she could flip enough of them to make a difference. I suspect the bigger problem is still lack of turnout rather than any specific demographic.
The Dems would have won if they ran a campaign relevant to the struggling and apprehensive. They didn’t. They lost.
Every other Lemmy comment section told me that it was Anti-Genocide college students who cost Kamala the election /s
you’re getting downvoted as though you are lying. i saw people equivocating the uncommitted movement with pro-Trump on here since February. and now people are turning around and saying “no we didn’t do that that didn’t happen.”
like maybe it wasn’t you but it happened. be fking for real.
Yeah, as much as people on this site love to love to shit on conservatives for being MAGA-brained, most of the Democratic rank-and-file acolytes mirror the same behavior. History will absolve my, and many others’ comments but it’ll be too late to fix problems that could have been avoided. Ultimately, people in general want to be in their echo chambers and have their opinions supported
More than one thing can be true; one things can be a subset of another.
It’s never any 1 constituency to blame.
But maybe a campaign telling independents and centrists that liberals are doing genocide while not also running on saying, “Republicans will genocide more, however,” was a really bad idea.
I’m not sure you guys bear the moral responsibility for Kamala losing, but I do think there is an argument to make for bearing moral responsibility to helping ensure more death happened.
Fair enough. I’ll admit that my comment was just a snide remark to those in a community that will jump at the first opportunity to deflect blame onto anyone but refuse to entertain a second of introspection.
As this chart makes pretty clear, white men are to blame.
while not also running on saying, “Republicans will genocide more, however,”
They did.
These constituents are voters who helped deliver Biden the presidency in 2020, and who now feel deeply hurt and betrayed by the President’s decisions to continue funding war crimes and the mass killing of Palestinians. Arab American, Muslim American, and young voters, as well as people of conscience in Michigan and nationwide, are critical to the strength of the base. We cannot afford to have this base permanently disillusioned or alienated in November. The Uncommitted Movement Emphasis mine.
Pro-Palestine kids on campuses were incredibly fearful of a Trump reelection and ran their campaigns to influence the Democratic at least partially out of that fear.
Pro-Palestine knew the Dems were far more likely to win if they promised to fund domestic concerns rather than what has been widely accepted to be a genocide. Feel free to criticize the ratio of anti-Dem:anti-Trump messaging all you like, but it’s afactual to say anti-Trump didn’t happen.
Latino women, I’m available y puedo hablar un poco de español!
😂 ^^ What I took away from the post.
If that lasr column is population, latino men are 1/7 compared to white men. So the larger difference is much smaller than it appears. And how did there get to be so many more latino women than men.
No, the last column is what percentage of the vote they made up.
Ah. Similar effect in reducing the net difference
