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Was already planning to switch to Linux but thanks for the deadline ✌️
So what’s the news here? Win 10 support ends in october. Doesn’t that automatically mean that they will also not support office apps running on Win 10 starting october?
It doesn’t end, it goes into paid subscription also known as Extended Security Updates.
There’s another reason to stay on 10!
No thanks, it takes excel 2-3 seconds to load a blank document, which pisses me off every time.
It’s like 5 seconds for me to open a file from Outlook at work.
Absolute garbage.
losing money in the general population so gotta turn the screws on the businesses.
I’ll use Windows 10 and pay for the updates for years while using old versions of office. Fuck Windows 11.
Are you sure about that?
While businesses will be charged $61 for a single year of ESU, they also have the option to pay $122 for a second year and then $244 for a third year of updates. Microsoft will only offer consumers a single year if they’re willing to pay the $30 fee.
Switch to Linux Mint and Libreoffice. You will thank me later!
Manjaro and SoftMaker Office works just as well
And then, you need a SW only available via AUR on arch based distro, see the toggle to enable AUR, do it, successfully install the app, make manjaro sw update and welcome in dependency hell ❤️
This is the way. Any Linux and FOSS alternatives really.
I’ve been using LibreOffice and before that OpenOffice for as long as I’ve known about them being options. It’s honestly baffling to me that any home user would ever pay for MS Office. What on Earth does it offer that any home user could conceivably need?
Familiarity, I suppose.
One doesn’t need to pay for MS Office. Not home users, anyway.
Former burned out core LM developer here, the grass is not always greener (but maybe is if you don’t know how the sausage is cooked).
LM is pretty green
I, in fact, do not know how the sausage is cooked. It’s great!
It’s always better when you don’t know how the sausage is made.
Lots of people using libre office.
Where my open offices boys at!
For those about to switch, welcome to Linux! If you have AMD hardware give Linux Mint a shot. If you have NVIDIA, Pop!_OS is worth your first install.
If I am the average computer user with very little literacy when it comes to operating software, how do I go about switching from Windows to Linux? Is there a tutorial anyone recommends?
there isn’t one everyone agrees on, but the explainingcomputers channel is great to learn about linux.
Zorin OS will be the most seamless transition to Linux based operating system.
It offers a user-friendly and familiar interface, especially for Win users with customizable layouts, pre-installed software, and tools like Zorin Connect for seamless device integration. It’s optimized for performance on both modern and older hardware, provides strong security features, and delivers a polished, visually appealing experience with minimal learning required.
You can try it via live USB, compare to Mint before deciding and installing one. Start from 2:28.
Mint is better with AMD? Good to know. I was already planning to try Mint first because I heard it was easier on cavemen like me that don’t speak no computer.
Pop!_OS is worth your first install.
Debian 12 is also hat in the ring worthy, nv support is fine.
Why the recommendation of different distros for different GPU?
That’s just my guess: Linux mint may be easier to get into and more popular, however it doesn’t come with pre installed proprietary drivers. Pop OS is based on the same distro so should be similar enough, but it comes with pre packaged drivers
Nailed it. The transition to Linux should be as smooth as possible for newcomers.
Bit of a weird reason to recommend a distro for me though? Isn’t installing drivers (even Nvidia) basically just the same as Windows these days?
The difference with Pop OS in particular is that they offer installation ISOs with the proprietary NVIDIA drivers preinstalled, meaning you don’t have to fuss with installing them at all.
Yea I get that. But installing them is far from the troublesome experience it used to be, isn’t it? It’s just a one-click installer that generally “just works” these days?
Just works, sometimes. Other times you’ll be left with a blank screen and the need for a second device to search the mint forums. It all depends on the age and support for your hardware.
Depends. On Ubuntu? Sure. On Wayland Arch? Good luck.
however it doesn’t come with pre installed proprietary drivers
It prompts you on boot (until turned off) with a list of things to do, including “driver manager” which will get those Nvidia (and any others like USB wifi adapters) drivers for you ezpz
Honestly easier than windows, even
Mint is super old and the nvidia drivers on mint are terrible.
Love to, I’ve been running Fedora on my laptop for ages. Unfortunately my gaming rig still needs windows for VR stuff. Pimax has yet to add Linux support.
Either way, I’ve pirated a copy of LTSC. By the time that dies, I’ll probably have replaced the Pimax with a Deckard headset.I long for rock solid VR support in Linux like the rest of my gaming in Steam. I dual boot windows for the sole purpose of VR experience right now :(
Me, with an AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU, who is expecting to maybe upgrade to an Intel GPU this year and swap to Linux: visible confusion
We truly do live in the weirdest timeline.
I would just worry about GPU drivers honestly, Intel seems to be doing fine on Linux for the most part.
Yeah, it’s really the fact that I am even saying that I might have a system with an AMD CPU and an Intel GPU running Linux that throws me for a loop. I’m pretty sure I can learn to handle any of that, but that is certainly not a sentence I would’ve expected myself to say 10 years ago.
Pop_OS is a good alternative. I still believe that most non-gaming adults would be happy with Firefox and LibreOffice on Linux.
I switched about two weeks ago to PopOS on my gaming PC. Everything works smoothly now, but I am also highly knowledgeable with computers and work as a sysadmin. Even PopOS isn’t plug and play for someone who just turn on their PC and launches Steam to play some games. Whilst all my games work now, almost every game requires a small tuning, some small fix, some config changing to work properly. I wouldn’t recommend Linux gaming to those who aren’t technically capable enough to know how to install an OS or research distros without following a tutorial.
Can you give more detail? I was a lifetime windows user and recently switched. I’m running Linux mint and steam and every game I tried on it was working as expected (admittedly my samplesize is not that big but from what I remember hades 2, slay the spire, horizon zero dawn, doom, civ5, rimworld, pal world were tried. No difference to windows. Maybe not the newest aaa games…)
Sure. What GPU, Monitor Resolution , refresh rate and size are you using? Did it all work out of the box? How do you play steam games? Did you just know to go for the compatibility setting and turn on proton? Which proton version did you use? Do you know the difference between all the versions? What about non steam games? Did you install Lutris? So you know what Vine is. Is it an emulator? They say it isn’t, but it is, isn’t it? Why do you have a media player folder in each game folder you install via Lutris? What about desktop icons? How would you launch your games, if you had them all on desktop before?
The simplest thing I had to do on my 42” 4K was to increase UI scaling, which in turn made my mouse unbelievably slow. In order to change DPI, I had to install three different Logitech drivers, where none worked. In the end, I was forced to edit the matrix in xinput manually, and add a startup command to run it on launch. But that lead to most of my games being rendered in wrong resolution or crashing. The solution was to install GNOME tweaks and increase the font size.
Sure, all of this may not be a problem to me as a sysadmin, or to you, but it is a major deterrent to the layman.
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That is pretty rough, even for Micor$oft.
See, there is absolutely no reason for this. It’s simply out of spite for their users.
No, it isn’t. They don’t disable Office on Windows 10 on that date.
They just don’t take Windows 10 into account anymore in developing updates to the office apps.
Which means those apps might stop working at some point if an update to them happens to break Windows 10 compatibility.Sorry, nuance is not allowed on Lemmy.
Discontinuing Windows 10 when Windows 11 is such a terrible OS is the real issue, continuing to support EOL Windows version in their Office suite would simply make no sense.
Nuance isn’t allowed on the internet. Not just lemmy. Reddit was the same. Forums are the same. Hell if there was a forum dedicated to nuance, it wouldn’t allow nuance. Just pretend everyone is highly autistic and you will land more often than not.
When Win 11 is such a hostile experience for privacy, yeah it still is out of spite, just for different reasons. I’m so glad to be rid of Windows in my home.
The harder MS tries to force Win11 on me the clearer it becomes how bad it is.
I will move to another office suit,install, and learn a completely new OS like Linux after 40 years of Windows before I ever install their unnecessary and untrustworthy data-miner.
Win10 was bad but most of it could be removed/worked around. This time it’s clearly war against typical users so F it I’m out.
It’s not difficult to block the mining and telemetry. Pihole, a few registry tweaks, a few scheduled tasks disabled and life goes on.
Folk see nothing wrong with spending hours tuning a Linux distro, but they object to doing the same with Windows?
FWIW I use vanilla Debian for everything other than what I’m required to use Windows for.
before I ever install their unnecessary and untrustworthy data-miner
You’re about [current year minus year you installed Win10] years too late for that. That said, if you intend to come over to Linux, it’s probably best to set time-bounded goals for yourself instead of vaguely putting it off until MS does something that crosses some poorly defined line, else you risk having to chaotically abandon ship at the last minute and making the transition much harder.
To add on if you have multiple machines in your home, move one machine to something easy like
ArchMint now to ease yourself in. I dropped a 2nd SSD for Mint in main machine and haven’t booted my win install in over 2 years and even then it was unnecessary. Currently I’m up to the family computer on Mint, 2 laptops running Tumbleweed and Fedora, a server on Debian, 2 Raspberry Pis on Raspian, and a router on FreeBSD.
libreoffice, however, will continue to support windows 10
Me, still using a site licensed copy of Office 2007 from a job I had over a decade ago.
I’m still using office 2003
i miss 3.x
