If you traveled back in time and told J. Edgar Hoover that in the future, the American public voluntarily wire-tapped themselves, he would cream his frilly pink panties.
Alexa! Install Linux!
🔴 I’m sorry Dave, I can’t do that.
alexa! install an oligarchy!
How disheartening. I knew going in that there would be privacy issues but I figured for the service it was fine. I also figure my phone is always listening anyway.
As someone with limited mobility, my echo has been really nice to control my smart devices like lights and TV with just my voice.
Are there good alternatives or should I just accept things as they are?
There aren’t any immediate drop in replacements that won’t require some work, but there is Home Assistant Voice - It just requires that you also have a Home Assistant server setup, which is the more labor intensive part. It’s not hard, just a lot to learn.
Thanks for the tip. I had thought of doing Home Assistant to automate things like lights but I use the Echo for other stuff too (like reminders and weather). I guess I’ll just wait for the open source tech to catch up.
And for now it’s voice assist is garbage in comparison. I have home assistant, and a few Alexa units, so I set up nabu and tried it, but it’s slow and can maybe do 1 in 5 commands, while Alexa is much more reliable.
If you do not want to set your voice recordings setting to ‘Don’t save recordings,’ please follow these steps before March 28th:
Am I the only one curious to know what these steps are? The image cuts off the rest of the email.
If anyone else is wondering, I’ve not found a verbatim quote of the steps but I did see an article that mentioned the consequences. It seems like you will be able to turn this off but it will disable Voice ID:
anyone with their Echo device set to “Don’t save recordings” will see their already-purchased devices’ Voice ID feature bricked. Voice ID enables Alexa to do things like share user-specified calendar events, reminders, music, and more. Previously, Amazon has said that “if you choose not to save any voice recordings, Voice ID may not work.” As of March 28, broken Voice ID is a guarantee for people who don’t let Amazon store their voice recordings.
The old “privacy focused” setting made speech processing local. The new “privacy focused setting” means that processing will happen on a remote server, but Amazon won’t store the audio after it’s been processed. Amazon could still fingerprint voices with the new setting, to know if it was you or your parents/parter/kid/roommate/whomever and give a person specific response, but for now at least they appear to not be doing so.
This all seems like it’s missing the point to me. If you own one of these devices you’re giving up privacy for convenience. With the old privacy setting you were still sending your processed speech to a server nearly every time you interacted with one of those devices because they can’t always react/provide a response on their own. Other than trying to avoid voice fingerprinting, it doesn’t seem like the old setting would gain you much privacy. They still know the device associated to the interaction, know where the device is located, which accounts it’s associated with, what the interaction was, etc. They can then fuse this information with tons of other data collected from different devices, like a phone or computer. They don’t need your unprocessed speech to know way too much about you.
- Unplug your amazon echo devices
- Hit it with a hammer
- Send it to an electronics recycler
Wow there are way fewer “so what it’s the same as your smartphone” and “everyone does it, google, apple, it’s no big deal” comments on Lemmy.
Today: “…they will be deleted after Alexa processes your requests.”
Some point in the not-so-distant future: “We are reaching out to let you know that your voice recordings will no longer be deleted. As we continue to expand Alexa’s capabilities, we have decided to no longer support this feature.”
They could also transcribe the recording and only save that. I mean they absolutely will and surely already did do that.
“We lied and paid a $3M fine.”
Or simply “…they will be deleted after Alexa processes your request and generates a token for AI training”.
And finally “We are reaching out to let you know Alexa key phrase based activation will no longer be supported. For better personalization, Alexa will always process audio in background. Don’t worry, your audio is safe with us, we highly care about your privacy.”
Amazon really got people to pay to be spied on. Wild world we live in bois
Who pays for Alexa?
Everyone who didn’t get an echo as a gift, I’d imagine
Plenty of people I know have gotten the little echo dots or the bigger alternative with larger speakers for Christmas or birthdays. Technically they didn’t spend money, but their friends and family did.
They are usually on sale for less than $20
I see. The initial purchase price is the “payment”. I thought the intimation was some sort of subscription to use Alexa. My bad.
They typed from their device that is also spying on them that they most likely also paid for…
Please, sir I have a pager
So… if you own an inexpensive Alexa device, it just doesn’t have the horsepower to process your requests on-device. Your basic $35 device is just a microphone and a wifi streamer (ok, it also handles buttons and fun LED light effects). The Alexa device SDK can run on a $5 ESP-32. That’s how little it needs to work on-site.
Everything you say is getting sent to the cloud where it is NLP processed, parsed, then turned into command intents and matched against the devices and services you’ve installed. It does a match against the phrase ‘slots’ and returns results which are then turned into voice and played back on the speaker.
With the new LLM-based Alexa+ services, it’s all on the cloud. Very little of the processing can happen on-device. If you want to use the service, don’t be surprised the voice commands end up on the cloud. In most cases, it already was.
If you don’t like it, look into Home Assistant. But last I checked, to keep everything local and not too laggy, you’ll need a super beefy (expensive) local home server. Otherwise, it’s shipping your audio bits out to the cloud as well. There’s no free lunch.
Also, the home assistant voice solution is still very much in it’s starting stage, and way behind where Alexa and similar commercial solutions are
I don’t think Google home listens in.
Because I’d absolutely be disappeared by now if it did.
What happens if I buy one and start playing porn on my computer ?
Why not fuck around and find out?
Easy fix: don’t buy this garbage to begin with. It’s terrible for the environment, terrible for your privacy, of dubious value to begin with.
If every man is an onion, one of my deeper layers is crumudgeon. So take that into account when I say fuck all portable speakers. I’m so tired of hearing everyone’s shitty noise. Just fucking everywhere. It takes one person feeling entitled to blast the shittiest music available to ruin everyone in a 500yd radius’s day. If this is you, I hope you stub your toe on every coffee table, hit your head on every door jam, miss every bus.
I have a Google home. The only reason I have it is because Spotify gave them away for free back in 2019. It sits unplugged somewhere.
spoiler
It still captures your voice
jk (I hope)
That’s covered by my phone.
Now they can hear me scream “shut the fuck up Alexa!!!” every time she says “…by the way…” when I just want to know what time it is.
Say this: “Alexa, disable by the way”
“Alexa, from now on, call me ‘Big Dick Daddy from Cincinnati’.”
Wait hold on
I wonder if I can get the Google assistant British lady to call me that
Edit: Lmfao it works
Me while cooking mac and cheese for the kids:
“Echo, set timer for 8 minutes”Echo: “
GOOD EVENING [me], SETTING TIMER FOR 8 MINUTES”No, shut the fuck up and just set the goddamn timer without the extra fluff. I’ve seen Ex Machina, I know you have no empathy, so knock off the “nice” shit and do what I fucking ask without anything else.
There are a few settings that make it better. Like enabling “brief mode” or something like that
I have brief mode on, she doesn’t give a shit. I need “say the absolute minimum number of words” mode.
You can buy an egg timer for a few bucks. They say the perfect number of words; zero.
I don’t need a timer though.
It’s always been this way for the cheap speakers. They’ve no processing power on-board and need the cloud just to tell you the time.
To the recycling bin you go, Alexa
