I like VSCodium, a vscode build without ms telemetry and such
sounds interesting enough to try, thanks! :D
it’s identical to vscode, except that a few extensions don’t work (notably, intellicode and the ms c/c++ extensions)
I’ve enjoyed JetBrains over either so far.
Though I use neovim as a text editor, Zed is my IDE of choice. I think it’s a good alternative for most people that don’t like Electron-based applications.
Zed is good but still in its infancy, but it has new content and sees many improvements quickly, needs more extension developers and I had to make my own extension for a language that was not well handled by zed
As a long, long, long time vi/vim/neovim user, zed is just a breath of fresh air. It’s feature first like neovim, but doesn’t suffer from them being half baked somehow
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Vim and VScode are my favorite code editors but I admit that Vim is better :]
Knowing how to actually navigate vim is worth learning. Especially if you work in embedded systems where a lot of the time you’re on setup that is running barebones and likely just has vi as a text editor.
But I used VSCode for dev work with the VIM plugin.
helix btw
When the pluggings system drops it’s going to be wild.
Helix is “it just works” but it actually does, without having to get lost in the (config) sauce.
It’ll be unstoppable once they finalize and ship the plugin system.
Edit: and I haven’t even mentioned the descriptions above commands, the command palette-like functionality in
<Space-, nor the tutor yet. It’s just so much more beginner-friendly.Yeah, so many things are so easy to configure with less moving parts, plus the window splitting is amazing.
I remapped the power button of my computer to whatever that series of keypresses is that exits vim.
That’s really smart. That way if I ever figure out the command to exit Vim, it’ll behave the same as my current method (powering off the PC.)
that series of keypresses is that exits vim
One of the great mysteries of the universe. However, I can confirm that my standard power button also exits vim.
Fly in fly trap:
:q!
Recording @q
But if you accidentally typed
aori, press ESC first.I thought flies use
ZZfor the onomatopoeiaSo
ZQcomes from the sound of a fly being swatted?
The trap is that you should use vi. Don’t wuss out.
Yeah. A lot of people who use vim don’t know how to use the full power of vi. They’ll often install plugins to do things they could have easily done with built in features!
The one area where regular vi sucks though is undo. If you want multiple undo then you’ll have to at least go with something like nvi.
imagine thinking a non user will read this and want to use vi/vim
vim users have the same energy as latex users
I don’t really recommend people learn vi/vim even though I’ve been using it for years and love it. It’s a very personal thing and the time you invest into learning it might not be worth it if you don’t use its features enough.
I think it’s dependent on your personality and neurodivergence/neurotypical characteristics (I don’t know a word that encompasses all of this). If you’re the type of person who gets really annoyed/distracted by any sort of “friction” in the editing process then I think you may be a good candidate to learn vi. Otherwise probably not!
Edit: by the way I’m also a LaTeX user!
I sometimes wonder why some programmers don’t use vim. Aren’t they lazy enough to be bothered about unnecessary work and “friction” you have to deal with when using ordinary editors. I’d rather do the interesting parts of the job and command the computer to do the rest. Of course the communication with the computer has to be as concise, as effortless, and as easy as possible.
For me (sysadmin actually) it’s because what I’m doing is either simple enough that I can use Nano (editing simple config files) or complicated enough that I’ll want a full fledged IDE. I use VSCode and it handles remote files really really well.
Although I have learned a little bit of Vi/Vim because sometimes thats all you have.
Plus if you’re doing major changes (like more than editing a line or two) you shouldn’t be doing that on a production server anyways. Like if I found out an engineer or dev was primarily working directly off of the server they would probably be on their way out the door. Uptime is worth way too much for that nonsense.
vim user
LaTeX user
When you go to the wrong side
I prefer to call it the dark side!
Come to the evil side, we have org-mode
I’ve tried. It breaks my brain too much. I’ve even used emacs without evil but the unholy combination just does not work for me.
I have the same problem with all vi/vim emulation modes in other editors. There’s always some incongruity that messes me up.
Too much pain there, sorry.
& then there’s emacs
(& this-post (there-is emacs))
Zed is better. The AI stuff can be disabled.
Do you mean Neovim?
Surely you aren’t comparing a flat text editor to an IDE that has language server support, debuggers and refactoring tools?
I only use butterfly flaps that move magnetic needles next to my HDD.
I do the same with moths as they are more active at night
You need a bigger lämp brøther!
Like a real programmer would.
Vim and VS Code are both text editors that can become IDEs with plugins. You can use vim with language servers if you want, as there are plugins for it.
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of that!
Makes sense though. Vim plugins exist so anything is possible. Neovim having native support for LSP and DAP makes it a lot easier though.
Emacs with evil mode
Ah! I loved using Doom EMacs for a while!
… but alas I came back to my initial love with Neovim 😜
lisp makes my brain relax
Yeah, this is the best solution at the end of the day for most would be text wizards, emacs is beautiful, vim keybindings are beautiful.
So kind of off topic. Like 15 years ago emacs vs vim split in engineering was like 50-50. Now I see more like like 90-10 with vim winning. What happened? I always assumed they are equivalent more or less.
Emacs has scripts that can do almost anything. If you wanted to, you could pretty much replace your graphical desktop with Emacs and still do pretty much everything you do. vi is an editor.
There’s been a lot more evangelism about emacs lately.
Also the fact emacs has doom and spacemacs to ease new users in while vim drops you into
:and tells you to swim means that it’s easier for emacs to get new users.
You will be tempted to think that by learning how to use (neo)VIM your coding skills will magically improve tenfold.
It won’t
Wait really? Shit I’m like 1 year into learning vim. What editor should I switch to that will magically make me a good coder?
Jokes aside, all of my favorite IDEs have an option to use VIM key bindings so learning VIM makes it easier to learn other IDEs.
That alone was enough to convince me to learn VIM
Laughs in Zed
