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I can sort of see how they got there, but I don’t think any nation has the right to exist. I’m sure if you swapped it with any other nation they wouldn’t remove it.
PTB from flat.world as usual.
Francesca Albanese puts it well. A people have a right to exist.
An apartheid ethnosupremacist state built on, and still doing, genocide and settler Colonialism, certainly doesn’t. Chattel Slavery America and Apartheid South Africa don’t exist anymore, it’s more than time for Israel to join them.
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Ethno-states run by power-tripping pigs have no right to exist.
Sorry for not seeing this earlier. Work was hell today.
Your correct. This isn’t racism. I’m reinstating your comment now.
Thanks
.world is a festering mess of liberalism, you say?
Colour me surprised.
The place that banned all criticism of Biden/Harris and then wondered where all the critics went, justifying their bad beliefs that all of them were bots? Yeah I wonder why its a shitlib utopia.
I don’t actually recall the .world mods or admins themselves calling people bots, and I’ve recently seen them removing comments containing bot accusations.
There is this same body of users who got all up in the 196 forced migration and subsequent drama with the blahaj instance. It is the same group of people obsessed with everything outside American politics being russian bots and chinese spies. The same folks are constantly trying to perpetuate instance wars on political propaganda grounds.
The admins don’t, but a lot of the userbase used to (and still does) calls anyone who mildly criticized Harris as a secret Russian asset/bot, or a useful idiot who bought into the campaign.
When Biden was bad at the debate and I said “Man he looks so unfit for this” I was called a russian bot. I reported the comments and nothing got removed or banned.
And I recently got banned from [email protected] because I defended myself from a moronic shitlib troll. The troll didn’t get banned, I did.
lot of the userbase used t (and still does) calls anyone who mildly critcized Harris as a secret Russian asset/bot
Yep. As ya remember, I was called a bot and accused of being russian, every single post where I criticized the corrupt duopoly. Even tho I voted socialist! lmao
.world got what they deserved in the election. They were just clueless about how bad of a take they had on things.
OP: you were right. This is a case of PTB for sure.
Exactly!
It’s wild how .world has somehow managed to become an even worse reddit lmao
Not that wild when you remember how often they defend transphobia, genocide, capitalism, wanted “both sides” for things like flat world cranks, and then defend the users who moderate communities that stifle disagreement with these concepts.
After everyone pointed out how terrible the flat earth idea was did they ever do their updated version?
Or was that just their way of saying look away as we still do what everyone hated
I don’t think they did it, no. I could be wrong, but man the fact they thought that “Yes, we will tolerate batshit crazy people like flat world people, because debate is healthy” instead of going “No you fucking morons aren’t allowed.”
Still nothing, at least nothing from same person who did the post, or in the comm
https://lemmy.world/post/24135976
Guess soon means different things to them.
Coming soon, valve time!
I’m saying it’s wild how they got to the point of doing all that shit in the first place. And now there’s an even worse reddit.
if .world was mass defederated, I’d miss like 6 users and maybe 2 communities, that’s it.
I left .world a while ago, I didn’t leave Reddit to put up with the same bullshit on Lemmy
Hot take: Both sides suck.
“Palestine has no right to exist” might not get you banned over at /News. But it is a wild take.
Ah yes… “The genociders and their victims… Both terrible!!!” Genius take. Very common in the imperial core.
Conflating zionist state of israel with the jewish people is anti-semitism. Israel does not represent all jewish people worldwide.
#MODS MODS THIS MAN RIGHT HERE 😭
I agree. How do we get the world to recognize that fact?
Genuinely asking, because seeing the Australian government bow to Zionist pigs over this is really tiring me out.
Zionists occupying Gaza is itself anti-semitic, as the occupied residents are mostly semitic peoples. And there is absolutely a racial component.
Is that actually a tolerable opinion in the sense of “paradox of tolerance”? Or is it hate speech that leads to intolerance?
Like “deport all jews from greater palestine” would mean ethnic cleansing which would not be tolerable. The only logical solution seems to be a 1 state solution that would need decades of investment, reeducation, de-nazification and de-radicalization on both sides.
Or said differently, “Palestine doesn’t have a right to exist” is not tolerable right?
Historic arguments that wold have been valid 70 years ago are now not useful since the reality is like it is. Something like “USA doesn’t have a right to exist, Europeans go home!” doesn’t make sense either except in the hypothetical where it would .
South Africa ended a similar system of apartheid and the effects of that, including the beneficiaries of apartheid choosing to leave the country (often to Israel so they could keep doing apartheid) were preferable to keeping the unjust system.
Saying Israel doesn’t have a right to exist isn’t the same as saying all Jews should be forced to leave. Ideally, if they want to then they should be free to live in a country where Jews and Palestinians have equal rights, including the right to vote, such a country would no longer be an ethnostate and would probably not chose to call itself “Israel.”
Saying Israel doesn’t have a right to exist isn’t the same as saying all Jews should be forced to leave.
But it is virtually indistinguishable of what someone would say if they wished for ethnic cleansing. At the very least it sounds like a dog whistle. You could instead say Zionism or apartheid or fascist Israel has no right to exist.
And yeah, my original comment is also virtually indistinguishable from a mealymouthed moderate liberal lol.
But it is virtually indistinguishable of what someone would say if they wished for ethnic cleansing. At the very least it sounds like a dog whistle.
I have no patience for equating anti-zionism with antisemitism like this. This tactic is frequently used in bad faith by zionists to dismiss all criticism of Israel and to paint people as bigots for acknowledging that Palestinians have rights. For example, the US State Department explicitly lists criticism of the state of Israel as a form of “antisemitism,” “Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor,” and, “Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis,” are both listed as example of it. Israel is an enthostate and it’s engaged in genocide and Lebensraum, and you have to be willing to brush off such spurious accusations of antisemitism to be reasonable.
No one said anything about Israelis or Jews or ethnic cleansing. What we’ve said is that Israel - the geopolitical entity - does not have a right to exist. It doesn’t. We could use a different term for Israel but we are in no way obligated to and shouldn’t be expected to. What we say is what we mean. If you read in some hidden meaning that we don’t say then you could do the same for just about anything anybody says.
I’m also disgusted by the rhetoric and new fascist antisemitism “definition”. I’m not uninformed or pro-Israel at all.
But I definitely consider “Palestine has no right to exist” as hate speech and would demand censoring / banning that. Because there is a clear implication. We can not afford to allow tolerance towards intolerance.
The only thing I would say in favor of OP is that because Palestine is currently weaker and the oppressed victim, and rightfully outraged, it’s not fair to demand higher standards from them and is therefor hypocritical.
During WWII I don’t think it would be unreasonable to say, “Germany doesn’t have a right to exist,” but if you said “Poland doesn’t have a right to exist,” that would be pretty different. The latter is justifying subjugation of the country but the former is objecting to the state doing the subjugating.
The trick here is that “Palestine” does not refer to any state*; as such someone saying “Palestine has no right to exist” can be only talking about the population, and promoting ethnic cleansing. That’s why it’s hate speech.
On the other hand “Israel” can refer to both “the Israeli population” and “the state of Israel”. So, every bloody time you attack the later, you get people misrepresenting your attack as if it was against the population. And Zionists have been exploiting this for ages, to silence anyone who speaks against it.
*Palestine does have a state (or something close to one), but people typically call it “Hamas” instead of “Palestine”.
‘The Russians occupying Crimea cannot be deported that would be ethnic cleansing’. No it would not. There were Nazis occupying Polish houses and they were kicked out after WW2 and sent back where they came from.
‘Deport all Jews from Palestine’ would be ethnic cleansing as many Jews lived in Palestine before Zionism.
Palestinians have the full right to all their land back. If a European colonist is currently occupying it that is not their problem. The fact that their parents stole it in an ethnic cleansing does not change this in the slightest. Nor does them being Jewish mean that they suddenly get a special antisemitism exception to do colonialism and steal people’s houses.
PTB
Zionists are on the wrong side of history
Whats PTB?
From the sidebar:
Some acronyms you might see.
- PTB - Power-Tripping Bastard: The commenter agrees with you this was a PTB mod.
- YDI - You Deserved It: The commenter thinks you deserved that mod action.
- BPR - Bait-Provoked Reaction: That mod probably overreacted in charged situation, or due to being baited.
- CLM - Clueless mod: The mod probably just doesn’t understand how their software works.
What a group of assholes to down vote you for asking. It’s pulmonary tuberculosis. I mean that’s the main thing that comes up when searching. It took a couple minutes to find “powers that be” and I’m not sure that that fits perfectly with the flow, or that it would be the most common acronym. I’d assume based on the context of the thread. On the other hand “please text back” is probably more commonly used.
Yeah the mods of the news Community being in favor of fascism doesn’t surprise me.
PTB. .world’s stances continue to be completely indistinguishable from State Department propaganda. I guess it was only a matter of time until the mods started cracking down on anti-Zionism. Fully expect to see them ban someone for promoting BDS next.
Would be hillarious if they put an anti-BDS clause in the .world terms of service.
Honestly, they should just make users recite the Pledge of Allegiance to sign up.
What a shocker that someone banned from a community for trolling and sharing misinformation is here to let everyone know that said community is bad.
You wouldn’t be complaining about this at all if it was .ml banning someone.
It’s sort of fun to note that many of the people that are always upset and angry about .world moderation are the ones that have been banned for trolling and spreading misinformation there.
It’s almost as if there’s a bias from the people that are always accusing others of bias!
“Hey I got banned for saying genocide is bad, maybe the mods there suck?”
“You’re just mad about getting banned, loser!”
It’s sort of fun to note that many of the people that are always supportive about .world moderation are Zionists.
It’s almost as if there’s a bias from the people that are always accusing others of bias!
Hilarious!
Genocide is funny to you, understood.
Ewww… you’re laughing about genocide
If u want a news community without power tripping mods I run [email protected]
Isn’t that an actual nazi instance?
Yeah, it’s the new exploding heads.
It’s a troll instance. So, same thing.
No its an instance that allows free speech. Allowing people to say any shit that’s isn’t calling for violence isn’t Nazism its free speech.
Allowing people to say nazi shit is nazism.
Block this guy. You’ll live a happier life.
One could make an argument that a lot of comments relating to the speech I see on Lemmy related to Israel and the jews is Nazism.
Of course they could make that argument. You can make any argument you want, even if the argument is stupid, like yours just now. That’s how arguing works.
More that it is the successor of the previous nazi instance exploding heads.
https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/detail/hilariouschaos.com
None of those claim Nazism
they loved what I said, they just hated the word nazi
