• chetradley@lemm.ee
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        It’s interesting that in any other situation, getting raw, unbridled ecstasy at the expense of an animal would be horrible. What is it about taste pleasure that makes it ok?

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          Oh, I thought you were meming. This is an anti-meat site. I don’t really get it, I don’t have moral compunctions against eating dog and I don’t think most people really do if you press them on it. It’s just a taste thing since we see them as companion animals instead of livestock. Eating dog (for Western non-dog-eating folks) is like using a screwdriver as a hammer, not an immoral act.

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      Individuals making the choice to go vegan is never going to solve our environmental and animal rights issues. Not that it’s worthless, but I think the focus should be on getting more stringent regulation of how animals are treated and pushing for alternatives like fake or lab grown meat. It should also be noted that vegetarianism is better for the environment overall, vegan milk alternatives are all highly demanding crops that need a lot of water and space.

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        Not to take away from the core of veganism, but we as individuals can do the bare minimum of living vegan to help lift the strain on the environment. Politics will do jack as we’ve seen many years over, so people need to act themselves and take matters in their own hands. Every bit counts, so dismissing veganism as a whole because individual choices don’t matter is a weak argument. Change must come from somewhere after all.

        Companies do need to change their ways, but so does the average consumer.

        That is… also not true. Take any vegan milk alternative and the dairy version will be worse in terms of environmental strain and water consumption. Like, not even close. Even the “worst” vegan option will be better than dairy.

        You can take any graph on this off the internet and will have this confirmed, but have a couple.

        Edit: Plus advocating for animals to be kept better will not change anything about the end result: innocent animals are being kept in captivity, tortured, and killed. They don’t give a shit if they have an eighth of a square meter more space to “”“live”“”.

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          Well I definitely misremembered on the milk thing, looking it up the statistics seem pretty clear that dairy production is more demanding than the alternatives. I still think that regulation will have more of an effect than trying to change the minds of individuals though, I wouldn’t dismiss the kind of impact it can have.

  • Aniki 🌱🌿@lemm.ee
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    You’ll all be vegan by choice or by force when every living animal that crepeth upon the earth is extinct.

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          “individual consumers are responsible for environmental problems” is such an insidious lie and i had hoped not to see it on 196

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            The post doesn’t mention environmental problems. Most vegans, including myself, are more focused on the animals.

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            Companies are responsible, sure, but why not do your part in making a difference? Apart from there not being any justification for killing animals for pleasure.

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              You know humans have evolved to eat meat? Hunting animals is literally a core feature of us as an animal. It’s much easier to have a healthy omnivorous diet than a vegan one because our bodies are adapted to consume animal and plants together. It’s not a fact you can ignore and it’s the reason why vegans need artificial supplements or risk severe health issues.

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                Not even a vegan but this is such a bad argument lmao. Are you hunting the animals you eat? If not, you’re not just eating meat, you are directly participating in a system that tortures them before they die. Factory farms are horrific. If you’re gonna eat meat and animals products, fine, but don’t pretend like it’s just “what’s natural.”

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                Humans have evolved on an omnivorous diet. The evolution-from-meat-eating myth has been debunked many times over. Compared to an actual carnivore, our digestion is more akin to a herbivore than a carnivore. Just because we can eat meat, does not mean we should.

                Edit: Not even to speak of the fact that most meats the average person eats are stuffed full of antibiotics, so eating those does not equate a healthy diet.

                Edit: Have a few sources too: https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en/ancestors-ate-meat/resources

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                  I said you should eat an omnivorous diet, not a carnivore one. Did you even read my comment?

                  Most meats do not contain antibiotics, that only happens in countries with bad food safety regulations. Antibiotics are also not a bad thing by any means, though you should use them selectively. Just because an animal has had antibiotics in the past dosen’t mean they still have significant levels when they are slaughtered.

                  Those sources are heavily biased. Human ancestor ate both meat and vegetables. Even chimpanzees eat insects, which are actually very nutritionous!