I’m mainly interested in how clean it gets the dishes, and how reliable it is. I also don’t need or want any kind of internet-connected features.
Very interesting arrangement of comments here.
As an appliance repair man for the last 21 years I can tell you that the only dishwasher worth getting is a Bosch. Nothing else even comes close. All thier other appliances are terrible but their dishwashers are simply the absolute best in the industry.
Having said that generally the state of appliances as a whole is pretty bad across the board which also includes Bosch dishwashers. The dishwashers they make today are worse than the ones they made 10, 15, 20 years ago. And people can tell.
But the truth of the matter is they’re still better than the competition. Ask any tech what they’d rather work on… GE dishwasher or a Bosch. It’s not the GE.
Do they have a model that has the macerating filter? The one I have now has a little basket that has to be cleaned constantly
So. Some whirlpool models have a blade inside the pump motor that can help cut down food debris.
The idea is that if one forgets to rinse off the dish before putting it in the dishwasher it’ll help move the debris along in the system.
The issue is course is that dishes need to be rinsed of large and even small elements of food. For every dishwasher. Not just Bosch.
Bottom line, if a manufacturer puts a blade into the pump that doesn’t mean you should stop rinsing your dishes off.
But! Even though whirlpool has this option a whirlpool dishwasher is significantly worse than a Bosch in everyway.
But to answer your question, yes. The very high end models of Bosch dishwashers will have a blade in the pump motor.
I’d look into the 500 or 800 series. They probably have the blade.
Wipe dishes off, don’t rinse them well before putting them in a dishwasher. They will get cleaner if they go in dirty (modern dishwashers keep going until the water is clean), and it saves water because the dishwasher is more efficient than washing them in the sink. Then clean the filter in the dishwasher after you use it.
Another happy Bosch customer here. Had a Whirlpool that leaked and caused water damage on the floors. Turns out Whirlpool happens to be the most basic level of dishwasher, KitchenAid is their nicer line. Anyway, got a mid-level Bosch and this thing cleans (and dries) waaaaay better than our old one could ever dream of.
I have an LG, ten years not a single issue, works well, quiet
Surprised with how good the LG dishwasher and clothes washer have been. Will buy more of their appliances.
I had to scroll really far to find this, but my LG was so good I bought another when I moved. My wife thought all dishwashers just sucked until she saw how well the LGs can do.
Our LG washer/dryer are about 15 years old now, still working incredibly well and look new. Definitely worth looking into
Before you buy one, look up how much replacement parts cost for whatever new machine you are considering. I had to get a new one a few years back because the filter in my old one kept getting clogged, and could not be replaced. You had to replace a larger part that cost almost 200 dollars.
My biggest gripe with my dishwasher is that it doesn’t vent the steam without me opening the door after the wash, and there is no alert to when the wash is done.
This is the correct answer: https://www.bosch-home.com/us/en/mkt-product/dishwashers/top-controls/SHX78CM5N
Bosch dishwasher fucking suck, E24 errors all the goddamn time
Is your drain impeller blocked with food, or is your pump motor dying?
Whatever the local small sales and service guy sells. There are a bunch of good ones - but the local guy will know what they need to service more often and what they can get parts for if you need it.
He sells whoever he is partnered with, my uncle is that guy, he will sell you a shitty Maytag
Gonna make myself unpopular here. No to Bosch. Overpriced and overhyped. You pay a premium and get little in return. I installed my own and rather than just connecting the power to a standard electrical connection, you have to (or you have to pay someone) to wire in a proprietary electrical connection box. The dishwasher has a special cable that connects to their weird receptacle. No idea why, helps nothing, adds labor without benefit. Bosch dishwashers do not use heating coils to dry the dishes. They use the residual heat of the water to dry. My experience is that this is not very effective as well as slow. Some have a means to ventilate themselves (fans, mechanism to open door, etc). This helps, but adds complexity, failure points and is still slow. I gave up after my last (third one) Bosch would not clean nor dry properly after it was about four years old. Took it apart, cleaned crud out of pump and bottom end. Came to conclusion that the pump was no longer able to move water at a sufficient pressure to spray the dishes. Was more of a weak sprinkler effect. No idea why it would not dry. It never dried well from the beginning.
I have since switched to a whirlpool (kitchen aid) with a heating coil. One year in being run 2x a day and no issues so far. Dishes are clean and dry. Bought a simpler model without nonsense like wifi, apps, lights, floor projection or anything else. I run one setting: auto.The receptacle thing sounds like an attempt at vendor lock in.
Is a great minority take and I appreciate it thank you. Honestly, I’ve been using my parents Bosch for the last 15 months and I have not been impressed. Granted they have no clue about cleaning out the filter, and even though I informed them, they don’t remember such things. And the dishes are often left wet. Also, no one is mentioning what models they have just brands, so it’s kinda hard to make a determination since I have to assume many different models have many different features, and the guy in the YouTube video I just watched said rather than just having a basket filter some of them have an actual macerating filter that can chop stuff up and that sounds pretty appealing, but I have no idea which models have that. So I’m gonna try and figure that one out.
I do all my own maintenance\repairs of all my appliances, cars, electronics, etc. As well as helping out family, friends, and where I work. I’ve dealt with a lot of dishwashers and I agree with you. If you aren’t buying commercial, just get a whirlpool (or one of the rebranded whirlpools like Maytag, KitchenAid, JennAir, and Amana). GE is pretty good as well. I’ve had a GE for the past decade and I bought it used for $25.
For most families, just get a simple one that plums in through the hot water side instead of cold and skips the water heating issue, and has a drying element, and is quiet. Noisy dishwashers are annoying.
I’d recommend Pavel. He has an excellent work ethic.
He’s a real straight-shooter for sure. Has upper kitchen management written all over him.
I got a Bosch last year, simple setup, no IoT bullshit, just works, quiet. For what it’s worth, the guy who installed it told me “I install new dishwashers and remove old ones in the process all the time. I’ve never had to remove a Bosch dishwasher”.
FWIW all Bosch dishwashers have IoT now, even the cheapest. You don’t need to use it, but at least it plays well with 3rd party stuff like Home Assistant.
let’s hope they won’t just hop on an open wifi and do whatever, but hoping is the most we can do.
never had such a device, if it works with Hass (offline) that’s kind of good, but I wonder if they are hackable before connecting them to a network, because they run a hotspot or something
Really, because I have a Bosch and I had to install the app and then use HACS to install an integration which goes through their cloud.
I don’t use that for anything more than alerts but it’s annoying it has zero local control. This is a perfect use case for Zigbee or Z-Wave and if I’m paying a premium I don’t get why I wouldn’t get premium features.
Also some features are app only (special dry modes etc) so if I want the functionality I paid for I have to be signed up for their cloud.
If you can, try for one with a built-in water softener–that is, if your home has hard water. You’ll reload salt, as well as detergent.
Speaking of detergent, Technology Connections reference.
Buy powder detergent. Fill to the appropriate line. Save a crapton of money over time. Yes, I have autism, how could you tell?
Another vote for Bosch. It’s one of those products where the premium is worth it, especially if you’re bothered by dishwasher noise.
Anything by Bosch, but don’t cheap out. Also, the keypads are touch sensitive. There is no need to press the buttons, just set a fingertip upon them. Otherwise, you’ll wear out the buttons.
I got a Bosch a year ago and love it. Super quiet, super clean. But my favorite feature is that it cracks the door open after running so that every has a chance to air dry. I run it at night and when I wake up everything is fury dry, even plastic containers.
My 5-year old Samsung does this as well. Blows fans for 5 mins too.
Same. Samsung, +/- 5 years old.
This is also useful as a visual cue for “the dishwasher is finished and needs to be unloaded”. My ADHD means that visual cues like this are super helpful
It’s crazy how helpful visual cues are for us
I would love this feature. I have an older bosch and it just beeps like every 10 minutes crying to be opened up.
I highly recommend checking out this video regardless of what model you get:
I want to know the things this man seems to be an expert on and be an expert on them like him. I also feel like he would be fantastic at parties.
He’s my lowkey hero.
I really love how Technology Connections is just living his best life, being so iconically nerdy that he has masses of adoring fans, despite the topics he covers being so ostensibly dull. I remember scoffing when I first stumbled across him; I thought “a 40+ minute video on [boring stuff I didn’t care about] — who would watch that?”. I think I probably started watching it with the expectation that after a few moments my disdain would be validated, and I’d move on. As it happens, I was enchanted by the magic of “passionate nerd explains something in depth”.
Haha - yep, exactly! I started the first video like, “Meh, I’ll give it two minutes.” And ended like, “I need to watch ALL the things!”
I don’t have to click the link. I already know what this video will be.
