I delivered pizza during COVID and most people I worked with couldn’t follow simple directions to an address or read a road map. If a destination didn’t show up on their cellphone’s navigation then they were immediately and hopelessly lost.
If you don’t use and exercise your brain then it atrophies and dies. AI is going turn a lot of people into conscious vegetables.
I have this problem with a bunch of new hires. I’ll show them another way to do something and they’ll ask, oh where was that written down? I said Just think about what I just did and how it makes sense, its not written down this is a neat trick i’m showing you. I swear there is no creativity or critical thinking anymore, just a bunch of automatons that follow protocol to the letter and the second there is a situation outside those very narrow parameters they just implode. Someone had to figure all of this out at one point and make the protocol in the first place, sometimes there is no step by step guide and you need to exercise judgement and make some decisions on your own.
I have this problem with a bunch of new hires.
sometimes there is no step by step guide and you need to exercise judgement and make some decisions on your own.
They probably think they aren’t paid enough to care so much to actually exert mental effort beyond strict requests and step by step and don’t expect to have a future to look forward to so why worry about progressing in a career?
Because that’s how I treat my job. I don’t get paid nearly enough to try beyond the absolute bare fucking minimum.
Humans are unlearning how to adapt.
On the other hand humans are tired of putting in effort just to be rewarded with table scraps while those at the top continue to fatten themselves with the spoil of our labor, why should we give more than the bare minimum? Thats the crux of the problem. there is no incentive to do more than the bare minimum when the bare minimum gives the same reward as putting in effort.
We need to teach people curiosity. I use my GPS all the time because of construction and stuff but I also look at the route before I leave so that I know where I’m headed on my own, too. Meanwhile I know people who’ve lived in a city for decades and still can’t get around it without help.
We need to teach people curiosity.
This is called being a lifelong learner. Learning something new every week, or even daily, no matter how small, will always improve your life. It keeps your mind active and it adds to your problem solving.
Absolutely.
Thinking about it, our school systems do prioritize memorizing just enough information to pass a test and then people just kinda forget it all because they didn’t really get a chance to internalize it. The best teacher I ever had earned that title from me because he took the main curriculum and threw it out, teaching us instead how to be comfortable and confident with the CAD program. When the other class, taught by the moron who wrote the curriculum, even, joined us the semester after they basically had to be retaught because they retained nothing over the Christmas break and the rest of us kinda just sat there until they figured it out.
It ends up discouraging “frivilous” learning, demanding we learn not only specific stuff but so much of it that there’s no way we can actually absorb it. It’s the difference between letting a sponge soak in a bucket and just dipping it in the ocean.
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Summarizing topics is nothing more than Cliffs Notes, and if you got caught using those, you were busted. You needed to do the work and read the whole thing to complete the assignment. Shortcuts mean you lose things that may be important.
Transcripts are fine if you are actually there, voice to text is never perfect. People have accents and computers mess up words that sound alike, accent or not. People don’t always pronounce correctly.
Asking an LLM to teach you something is never going to work out until the creators specifically feed it valid, true information, not scrape the internet and people’s text messages. And then you need to teach it to think like a Human, which it never will.
Feeding it a research paper seems like it might work out, but that deprives you of the ability to problem solve. You need to learn to be organized, take notes in a structured manner, choose what you believe is pertinent information in that paper. You participate, not passively get told what it is. This is a brain expanding activity. You are connected, that’s how we learn.
I am very pro computer and automation. Computers are there to help us save time on tasks that take a lot of time, and repetitive tasks. Screwing bolts onto tires in a car factory is hard on Humans for 8 hours, robots can do it. But having AI write junk articles that make no sense to fill up websites is a greedy money grab, and distorts facts. I don’t need Google telling me to put glue in my pizza cheese, or to shove my dick in a loaf of bread to see if it’s done. And now all the ‘AI’ owners want to scan every personal thing you have on your phone, computer, social media, and here in the US, all of our private government data.
Welcome to 1984, run by clowns. No one is putting in the hard work required to make any of the public tools do what is claimed on the label. It’s just invasive technology right now that produces less than stellar products and infringes on so many Human Rights in the process.
I appreciate your thoughtful critique of AI tools and their limitations. You’re right that voice-to-text technology isn’t perfect, especially with accents and pronunciation variations. These are genuine challenges that need addressing. There are so many tools about AI transcript, such as transcriptly, those tools can extract the text subtitle by AI, but just text, no accents and pronunciation variations.
Your point about human engagement in learning is crucial. AI should augment human capabilities, not replace the critical thinking and problem-solving skills that come from active participation.
Privacy and data security concerns you raise are absolutely valid. Any AI tool worth using should prioritize user privacy with transparent policies and robust protection measures.
The key is finding the right balance - using AI for what it does well (like initial transcription) while maintaining human oversight for quality, context, and meaning. For instance, while tools can convert speech to text, humans are still needed to interpret, organize, and apply that information meaningfully.
What specific aspects of AI technology would you like to see improved to better serve human needs while addressing your concerns?
I’m just going to leave this here. Title is a bit clickbait-y, but it’s a good video. https://youtu.be/DNE0sy7mR5g
Pretty sure this has been happening for decades. The “problem” (it’s not a problem) is navigation systems, not LLMs.
I don’t think they were blaming AI for the inability to follow directions without a GPS… They were making an analogy.
The root issue is the same, which is: to delegate more and more rational thought to machines.
Yup. How many phone numbers do you have memorized? If you’re from the era before cellphones you had to memorize numbers or carry a cheat sheet. You probably had anywhere from 10-30 numbers memorized. Now people don’t even know their spouses numbers.
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I’m deeply hurt by your comment and may never recover.
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I have to agree. There’s a bigger picture for sure.
Love it.
Steve Jobs once called the personal computer a bicycle for the mind; ChatGPT is a wheelchair for the mind. There is no shame in using a wheelchair if you need one, but if you don’t need one and use one anyway, you will come to need it.
I’d say chatgpt is more like a self-driving tesla stuck in huge traffic. you don’t have any control, it can break down easily, you’re moving slower than a bike, all the while thinking that people who chose the bike to avoid the traffic are losers.
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what you’re calling lazy fucks are most likely disabled people who you’ve preassigned an able-bodied role in your mind based on perceived ability based on their appearance.
a fuckton of disabilities are not apparent to the uneducated eye and also a lot of us are undiagnosed and/or ambulatory mobility aid users.
so no, you can’t “always tell”. mind your own business.
I understand what you’re saying and sorry if it seemed insensitive. I grew up in a town where actually disabled people often couldn’t use the Wal-Mart electric carts because they were in use by people who were very much able-bodied and just felt like being redneck pieces of garbage. It was a whole drama-rama at the Wal-Mart about who could use the carts. And this was after we dealt with the sign about leaving your guns in the car and not shopping with an iron on your leg.
But, it was a special town full of hate, so maybe that was a unique situation.
Steve Jobs also thought eating fruit could cure cancer…
this metaphor is ableist because nobody is pushing wheelchair use on abled people, unlike ChatGPT. and no, abled people won’t become “dependent” on wheelchairs because they’ll realize how miserable life is when you’re barred from most public establishments.
most of the people perceived as “faking it” are just disabled people who can’t afford a diagnosis or won’t be diagnosed by medics due to racism, fatphobia, etc.
You make a good point.
I don’t agree that no one pushes wheelchairs on people who don’t need them (based on my personal experience). I live in a country with socialized medicine so i am not used to cost being a barrier to care, and i didn’t consider the american context.
you are definitely right that i am looking at wheelchairs the wrong way. i agree that they are liberating for many people. lately i have been pushing a stroller and it opened my eyes the tiniest bit to how many places are hostile to anything on wheels. i can barely imagine the access challenges that a person in a chair faces. the metaphor i used was totally off the mark in that respect.
i will let my comment stand, but i will think about what you said and try to be better.
I don’t agree that no one pushes wheelchairs on people who don’t need them (based on my personal experience)
may I ask what you mean by personal experience? are you a wheelchair user who’s gone through the gatekeeping system to be prescribed one? if not, i think you have a highly idealized view of what that system looks like and how ableism is truly a global problem in medicine. i wasn’t even talking from an American perspective.
you may live in a country with socialized medicine but I’m not aware of any system whose universal healthcare also applies to disabled people. even if the cost barrier was eliminated, all the other barriers to access like legal status, ableism and racism wouldn’t go anywhere unless nation states and hierarchies ceased to be a thing.
This metaphor is a … metaphor and does not say or imply anyone is pushing wheelchairs on able bodies people or that a significant amount of wheelchair users does not need them.
But if you start consistently using a wheelchair when there is no physical reason for you to use one, will your muscles not atrophy, thereby making you need it?
I don’t think this metaphor is inherently ableist. That wheelchairs aren’t being pushed onto anyone isn’t really relevant, nor is the fact that very few people fake needing a wheelchair. I don’t think the person you replied to was shaming anyone for “faking it.” Just saying that if you don’t need a wheelchair, it’s probably a bad idea to use one.
Just saying that if you don’t need a wheelchair, it’s probably a bad idea to use one.
it is ableist though, because we get told we don’t need to use one every single day. this stems from ableds vilifying wheelchair use as a “downgrade on the human experience” as opposed to a liberation tool, which is what it actually is.
their metaphor wouldn’t even exist if this mentality wasn’t normalized.
But… the person you’re replying to didn’t say you don’t need to use a wheelchair. They said that if someone genuinely doesn’t need to use a wheelchair, using one will likely have negative effects. Which is just, like, true? In my head, it’s roughly akin to saying, “If you consistently take a medication you don’t need, you’re probably going to wind up needing a different medication to counteract the negative effects of the medication you unwisely took.”
You’re completely right that wheelchairs are liberation tools and shouldn’t be vilified. And as someone who needs medical intervention to survive, I understand your frustration with ableist rhetoric. I just think your reading of this one is a bit off the mark.
what negative effects are there for ableds using a wheelchair? gonna need a few sources besides conjecture.
the only way they’d get hurt is from other ableds assaulting them or getting a badly fitted chair, which also happens with bikes. the double standard is that bikes would never get called a downgrade outside of carbrain spaces.
Muscle atrophy? From not using your muscles? Can you not read??? Maybe you’re using chat GPT to reply.
OK then, show me an able-bodied person who got diagnosed with muscle atrophy from using a wheelchair. you’re living in fairy land
You are such a moron
Damn, that’s a good metaphor. Gonna steal that for myself.
They are working on last step.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUrLuUxv9gEDon’t dom me into AI 😭
If that’s all it takes for you to give up critical thought, you have far more problems than you’d ever care to admit.
I would give up critical thought for someone degrading me any day of the week
and you’re against AI?! … fucking enigmas…
Relax I’m making a dumb joke. Actually you’re always free to insult me more
They will monetize those chatbots.
And I want to see how many will pull out their wallet when it happens.
And I worry it will be almost every hardcore user, for the fear of being left out and performing worse than anyone else.
The trap is set, it has sprung, and now we wait will the owner comes for the feast.
They will monetize those chatbots.
They already did? They have premium plans, pro plans, free plans, etc.
I mean they will disable the free version.
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Watch Wall-e to remind society how lazy and dependent on AI can end up.
Amazing documentary. Really enlightened me about current reality. \s
I almost spit out my breakfast in laughter. Thanks for this one, OP. 😂
Well yeah I don’t know how to make pictures myself so yeah
Doodle on the back of a receipt. Just do it.
AI can do a bit better than my doodles.
Why do you need images that are so perfect? Why can’t you just be fine with doodling?
The philosopher Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king. Said Aristippus, “If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.” Said Diogenes, "Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.
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Look, if you’re not an artist, instead of looking to a machine, cooperate with someone else. AI image generation is not worth your time. Ask yourself this: What is the point of art? What reason do we have to make pictures at all?
This is not to be smug or to “pwn” you. Legitimately think about this; I’d recommend twenty seconds.
See if any of the reasons given apply to AI art. To me, they don’t. Art itself is opposed to Taylorism, so applying Taylorist principles to art doesn’t work.
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I will honestly not be surprised if in a few years we have young to middle aged people who have become so dependent on “AI” that they’ll be forced into assisted living homes because they are unable to function without it.
Ehhhh. Sorta? Not in the way that I think you think. This will be a thing, but it’ll be for people who were otherwise mentally disabled.
You’d be surprised the mental diversity of adults, especially in the US. Like apparently some fraction of adults with a whole number on the denominator are functionally illiterate, yet they don’t need assisted living homes.
As if the USA would provide that service for them. Many people do need help but instead live in squalor and are often only cared for, if at all, by burnt-out family members while everyone involved lives well below the poverty line.
It’s not a good place.
It’s like a mashup between Wall-e and The Matrix.
But like, a gross mashup of only the worst parts.
this is already happening to disabled youth under any administration, no need for a hypothetical AI takeover scenario.
It is?
…LLM users displayed the weakest connectivity. Cognitive activity scaled down in relation to external tool use… LLM users also struggled to accurately quote their own work. While LLMs offer immediate convenience, our findings highlight potential cognitive costs. Over four months, LLM users consistently underperformed at neural, linguistic, and behavioral levels.
Outsourcing thinking from your brain to an AI literally makes you dumber, less confident in the output, and teaches you nothing.
Call me a Luddite or a hater, but if you’re one of the people who uses AI as a shortcut to actual thought or learning, I will judge you and disregard your output and opinions. Form your own basis of understanding and knowledge instead of a teaspoon deep summary that is frequently incorrect.
Same with using a calculator, no? Or not memorising log tables.
There’s a key difference between using a tool to crunch a known mathematical equation (because you cannot just say “find X” to the calculator) and having to punch in the right inputs - ergo requiring understanding - and simply asking the teacher for the answer.
Treat AI like the hermit oracle/shaman/divinator of yesteryear, and you’ll get the same results - idiots who don’t know how to think for themselves, and blindly accept what they are told.
LLMs are less replacing the need for log tables, and more replacing the need to understand why you need a log table. Less replacing a calculator and more replacing the fundamental understanding of math. Sure, you could argue that it doesn’t matter if people know math, and in the end you might be right. But given that ChatGPT can and will spit out random numbers instead of a real answer, I’d rather have someone who actually understands math be designing buildings, people who actually understand anatomy and medicine being surgeons. Sure, a computer science guy cheating with ChatGPT through school and his entire career probably won’t be setting anyone back other than himself and the companies that hire him, but they aren’t the only ones using the “shortcut” that is ChatGPT
I was never taught what log tables actually are. Anytime logarithms were brought it, it was just “type it in to your calculator and it will tell you”
That wasn’t my experience in school, but there’s a good chance you were just in an introductory class or similar. However, that doesn’t change anything about my argument. If you need the log of something, you knew that you needed to look up the log in a table to solve the problem. ChatGPT removes the need to even understand that you can use a log to solve a problem, and instead spits out an answer. Yes, people can use ChatGPT to accelerate learning, as one would a calculator, and in those instances I think it’s somewhat valuable if you completely ignore the fact that it will lie to your face and claim to be telling you the truth. However, anecdotally I know quite a few folks that are using it as a replacement for learning/thinking, which is the danger people are talking about.
Better comparison would be opening a song on radio and saying “see I can produce music.” You still don’t know about music production in the end.
Personally dont think that’s a good comparison. I would say it’s more like taking a photo and claiming you know how to paint. You’re still actually cre a ting something, but using a digital tool that does it for you. You chose the subject and fiddle with setting to get a better image closer to what you want and then can take it into software to edit it further.
Its art in its own right, but you shouldn’t directly compare it to painting.
Even that is a bad analogy, it’s like commissioning a painter to paint something for you, and then claiming you know how to paint. You told an entity that knows how to do stuff what you wanted, and it gave it to you. Sure, you can ask for tweaks here and there, but in terms of artistic knowledge, you didn’t need any and didn’t provide any, and you didn’t really directly create anything. Taking a decent photo requires more knowledge than generating something on ChatGPT. Not to mention actually being in front of the thing you want a photo of.
I think my analogy is more accurate
Care to explain? I think your analogy gives the credit of art creation to someone who didn’t create art, and thus is flawed.
I mean i think i explained myself quite well already, and not to be insulting to you, but i dont think you’re willing to accept any argument i would make that goes against what you already beleive, since your argument against it simply you asserting your own beliefs (that AI art isnt art) as an immutable fact
They say that, when making an Anki deck, using it is only half the battle because a lot of the learning comes from the act of making it yourself. That advice is older than these LLMs and it really showcases a big reason why they suck. Personally, I haven’t even used autocorrect since 2009.
Being a luddite I feel requires having a highly abstinence-only approach. Knowing what is worth off-loading and what is worth doing yourself is just being smart. I’m really glad that I don’t need to know every detail of modern life but I still take a lot of pride in knowing how quite a lot of it works.
Personally, I haven’t even used autocorrect since 2009
Genuinely the weirdest flex I have ever seen.
Oh for sure, I won’t argue that, but it does explain my point. Even when I use a program with the squiggly red line I correct it myself so that I can reinforce the correct spelling.
No autocorrect? Pfft, filthy casuals. I haven’t even stricken a line through a word since the Carter administration.
I remembered a movie about the future where some guy couldn’t figure out how to insert the right shape into a hole and he tried to insert a cube into a round hole, I don’t remember exactly, but it’s not so funny when it becomes reality… In any case, due to excessive comfort or convenience, the human brain, so to speak, adapts in the bad sense of the word to what is easier.
and that is exactly why rich people are demonstrably dumber and more disconnected than most: their life contains far fewer challenges they actually have to overcome.
The business of a king separates him from the world…
I agree all rich people are stupid people
Here I probably agree with you… by the way, did you know about secret underground cities for the elite on special nuclear reactors? They hope to avoid problems there if a collapse occurs :333
remembered a movie about the future where some guy couldn’t figure out how to insert the right shape into a hole
Idiocracy - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
was that at the current regimes swear in right?
I already watched it the other day to be honest, but thanks anyway. :3
Let’s be honest though if there were sex bots AI would be even more popular than it already is
Well I have news for you, my friend.
(Shows all the weird sex AI chatbots)
Nah, man. That won’t cut it.
The day real doll bots can suck dick without me doing anything but watch and enjoy, that’s the day I’ll get one and become asocial.
if that was available, i think it would be harder for alt-right extremism to take hold
I don’t want to steer the conversation towards U.S. politics. Let’s focus on making sex robots that look like Margot Robbie happen once and for all.
Sadly the US isn’t the only place right wing morons have or are gaining traction.
Well, shit.
I hope one day I can cry and my Margot Robbie robot can comfort me by bringing me chocolate.
not even just the US but everywhere!
i feel like if everyone could get their PP touched the world would be a better place! and it truly wouldn’t matter if what was touching ones PP was a robot/device/ combination of devices or just another human being. (with their own addictions, triggers, baggage, debt, preconceptions about what the PP holder has to do to justify feeling such a connection)
i know this sounds like Incel talk but that’s precisely the kind of person that can easily get roped into malicious ideologies because nobody wants to suck on their ridiculous unwashed genitals.
those types of people could unload their genetic material into something that will keep them from being unwilling parents forced to raise another human with potentially similar values.
i see a lot of good in a world like that
You all need to read up on Marxism and capitalist alienation
Care to elaborate?
I love women, but sometimes I just don’t want to deal with the stuff they may bring into a relationship (sexual or otherwise). Not because they’re women. Let’s just say because they’re human.
So it’s not only “incel” men benefitting from this.
“MARGOT!! Time for my nightly oil rub” “Ok, thanks. Please clean up and put yourself away.”
agreed! from this moment on PP stands for “precious penis/precious p***y”
self censored to spare everyone’s eyes from
spoiler
pussy
“If only I’d programmed the robot to be more careful what I wished for. Robot, experience this tragic irony for me!”
NOOOOOOOOOOO
Can it maybe just give her an orgasm for me? I’m way to lazy to do it myself.
/it’s sarcasm, you dumb fuck
me doublefisting magic wands
