Beginning to question the inherent wisdom of “Normal transition of power” when Biden handed the keys of the kingdom to a guy who openly planned to lock all the doors and shoot the next guy elected to walk through them.
But hey, I guess it would have been against the rules not to meekly empower a fascist dictatorship.
biden was happy as long as netanyahu was happy.
I love these comments that always place the blame on Biden, instead of you know, the actual fucking fascists. JFC.
For the record, the “actual fucking fascists” didn’t materialize during this last election, or the one before it, or the one before it… etc. I remember when the dems campaigned on “no human is illegal” in 2016 but by time of this last cycle, they were capitulating on immigration and the border to attract the elusive moderate republican to vote democrat… a strategy that failed our democracy in the end.
I think it is because you can’t reason with these idiot fascists, but we could have reasoned with Biden.
So what. You wanted a dictatorship to stop a dictatorship. Once the normal transition of power is not followed its game over for our democracy.
That’s right, if it’s allowed to happen, it’s pretty hard to come back from that
I wanted the traitor coward Merrick Garland to do his motherfucking job and prosecute that POS and throw him in federal prison while making him completely unable to appear on any ballot.
Thanks for asking.
Garland did what he was hired to do. He slow walked the investigations so biden could run against trump again because biden knew he couldn’t beat anyone better.
You wanted a dictatorship to stop a dictatorship.
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Once the normal transition of power is not followed its game over for our democracy.
Once people who’ve sworn to end democracy are given the power to end democracy, then it’s game over for democracy.
Preventing a corrupt criminal who’s a known agent of a hostile foreign powers from becoming president is a healthy thing to do.
If the electorate in a democracy want to end democracy, then it’s game over. You can’t save that.
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As would be preventing officials voted into office in a democracy but sooner. There is still a chance as of now as he has not stopped elections yet.
nah, it’s over. It was gg for elections in November, and so many people like you didn’t realize this. It’s to late to prevent this. All we can do now is rebuild.
We realize and so do you since you talk of rebuilding.
It has always been a dictatorship of the rich.
This is just taking the mask off.
You wanted a dictatorship to stop a dictatorship.
Given the current state of affairs, I’m not clear how a Permanent Biden-o-cracy was supposed to be worse.
Once the normal transition of power is not followed its game over for our democracy.
Well, thank god we don’t officially lose our Democracy for another eighteen months.
its worse because it would be 18 months sooner. Its like climate change. It won’t help if we were at 5 degrees now instead of 1.5. That would not fix it.
Its like climate change.
Weird you would mention that in the context of a presidency that’s effectively set himself to the task of nationally Rolling Coal.
its hard to mention anything he is not making worse.
Congratulations, you just discovered the paradox of tolerance.
And, yeah, essentially, in order to survive, a democratic society cannot allow those who seek to destroy it to participate in the democratic process.
Nope. I have been aware of the paradox of tolerance for awhile and its a little shoehorning to put this situation into it. Your talking about a case of allowing an elected official to take office not tolerating speech.
An elected official who repeatedly stated and demonstrated his intention of preventing any future elections and destroying democracy.
An elected official, therefore, who should never have been allowed to run for office in the first place (this isn’t the only reason he shouldn’t have been allowed, of course, in a sane country he’d also been unelectable due to his criminal record, lack of any semblance of mental health, and intellectual insufficiency, but it’s the most important).
Ill agree he should not have been able to run but that was a failure of congress or in other words other people elected under the democracy to office. Not allowing him to run would have been great but not allowing him to take office when elected would be disastrous.
not allowing him to take office when elected would be disastrous
It would have been many orders of magnitude less disastrous than the alternative.
Sure, cutting off your cancerous hand would’ve been traumatic. But survivable.
Now, however, said hand is so far up your arse that it’s ripped apart your colon in several places and you’re bleeding to death while experiencing horrible agony, and spraying all your neighbours with blood and feces.
You could have recovered from getting rid of Trump, but there’s no coming back from what you’ve allowed him to do to your country, and the world.
No. No it would not have. Your talking about doing something trump has not done yet. It would accelerate the problems by putting us at worse case in january of 2025 rather than in late 2026.
Probably what will happen is anyone who might challenge them will suddenly be arrested on Trumped-Up charges.
“How dare you break the laws - we should have broken the laws to stop you from breaking the laws.”
All Biden needed to do was have Trump assassinated - as an official presidential action, it would have been perfectly legal according to Trump’s precedent.
Follow that up with a “Y’all see why this is maybe not the greatest idea to give the ol’ prez this much power? Repeal it, then I’ma fuck off to some beach somewhere.”
Boom. Democracy saved, all without breaking the law.
Not sure I get it, but user name do indeed check out.
Probably the pertinent bit: “Sulla revived the office of dictator, which had been dormant since the Second Punic War, over a century before. He used his powers to purge his opponents (“Sulla’s proscription”), and reform Roman constitutional laws, to restore the primacy of the Senate and limit the power of the tribunes of the plebs. Resigning his dictatorship in 79 BC, Sulla retired to private life and died the following year. Later political leaders such as Julius Caesar followed the precedent set by Sulla with his military coup to attain political power through force.”
Dude made himself dictator, reformed laws, purged his political rivals then gave it all up to go live in his villa once he felt he’d achieved his goals of putting the republic back on the rails. Julius Caesar later remarked that the one mistake Sulla made was that he gave up the power he had seized.
Oh gotcha. Guess I skimmed right passed that bit. But yeah, pretty much that exactly, except the whole dictator can of worms is already open.
How would it have been breaking the law? According to the Supreme Court long before the election, any act a President does while in office is legal.
Just because something is legal doesn’t make it right, and just because it’s illegal doesn’t mean that it’s the right thing to do. It’s illegal to donate or hand out food from your garden to the homeless - as pertains to the law stating that it’s illegal to provide a better service than the government.
Uh huh.
This, but unironically.
What a stupid argument. Like Biden refusing to cede power to an elected opponent wouldn’t be one of the largest abuses of power in US history.
It would.
It would also be several orders of magnitude less harmful than everything Trump’s done.
OMG no 🤣. It would have sent the nation into chaos!
Which would have been several orders of magnitude less harmful than everything Trump has done (which includes sending the nation into chaos anyway).
blue maga is ridiculous. 🙄
I disagree with Biden’s handling of the transition, but it’s definitely internally consistent with his beliefs. He really, really wanted the global rule of law to work.
I would not be surprised if part of the intention here was to maintain legitimacy during the initial transfer, so that when the monsters refuse to do the same, it will lend legitimacy to a global response to assist the people in reclaiming their democracy.
Now, you could also call that ‘passing the buck’ and… Well, yes. He did seem to do too much of that, imo. Or not enough, depending on how you look at it.
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He really, really wanted the global rule of law to work.
No, Biden did not. He actively broke it by financing Israel’s genocide against international and domestic law.
Sorry US law, that’s where the US can do whatever it wants in the rest of the world but at home there is a rule book (allegedly)
I do find it strange that the people down voting are more upset about someone pointing out how Biden broke International and Domestic (Leahy) Law to finance a genocide than the actual genocide itself
You’re right, that was awful and idealogically-rooted behavior justified in the name of liberal statecraft.
US support of Israel is a huge problem, and needs to stop. I am with you, and he should be held accountable for the part he played in that.
He really, really wanted the global rule of law to work.
Hence backing Al Qaeda in Syria, fleecing Afghanistan of it’s currency reserves to kick off a famine, propping up a military dictatorship in The Philippines, all while continuing a 70 year old illegal blockade of Cuba? Never even mind the Holocaust in Gaza.
Come on, dude. The US has always been playing Calvinball with Rule of Law. If Biden made noises about it, that’s just him delivering the company line one last time to the liberal rubes.
when the monsters refuse to do the same, it will lend legitimacy to a global response to assist the people in reclaiming their democracy.
That’s pure cope.
Biden bent over backwards for the Silicon Valley mega-donors practically from day one, and they took full advantage until he was used up and disposed of.
He wasn’t secretly plotting a resistance movement, he was carving up the country in advance so that Trump could sell it off easier.
To clarify, I am not a Biden supporter by any means. In fact, I place a lot of the blame for the fucked state of the world right now squarely on his shoulders. It would not be a stretch to say that I harbor a deep resentment for the man’s work.
However, I do think there’s a lot to learn from his career. Because as far as I can tell, the man genuinely seemed to be trying to improve the world for the average person. Thus, he clearly fucked up catastrophically, and there’s a lot to learn from how and why.
The US disregard of the Rule of Law historically seemed to be one of his personal bugbears. At least from what I’ve seen of his accounts and those around them. I won’t judge you if you want to discard him as a bumbling hypocrite, but we can learn the most from failure.
I hope you are being cheeky by saying ‘beginning to’, it was immensely obvious this was the plan going back to, at bare minimum, about a year before the election, when Trump just kept saying he was gonna serve 3 terms, his supporters wouldn’t have to vote again, etc.
They were revealed in 2021.
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Buy guns. Buy ammo. Help others acquire guns and ammo.
Train. Help others train.
Form networks.
When voting with your voice doesn’t work, and voting with your money doesn’t work, all that left to vote with, is lead.
So when that doesn’t work, then what?
If lead isn’t working, you haven’t used enough of it. Can’t have a problem if the problem-makers are all dead to a man. Or if necessary, to a child.
What if the problem makers are holed up in a bunker thousands of miles away remotely sending drones to kill you? How much lead does that take?
I suppose in that case you lay siege and starve them out. Cut off all materials in our out. Supplies run out, and so do million dollar weapons, eventually. Ideally it never gets to that point but what other recourse do you have to stop the march of dystopia?
You’re going to lay siege from thousands of miles away while being killed by autonomous death robots?
Okay, good luck.
Let’s say 500 of your closest neighbors and friends all buy AR-15s with the best optics money can buy and all the green tips you can eat. And you all secretly spend 60 hours a week drilling in modern combat.
What are you going to do against a tank? Or a jet? Or just artillery fire? And “hit and run” tactics don’t work when there are cameras on every street corner and it is a trivial problem to track people back to their suburbs.
If The Right To Bear Arms were actually a threat to those in power then you can be damned sure it would have been repealed faster than a kindergartener can cry for their parents.
Resistance is important and I recommend you go to protests and actually talk with the organizers. No, not the ones who are thinking up catchy slogans or what cool costumes everyone can wear. The old hats. The ones who are actually pulling people however many steps back from the curb they need to be or who are looking for idiots with guns who will get everyone killed. Make some friends and go from there.
But all you are doing with “buy guns and train” is the same bullshit that republicans have been getting off on for decades. White people get to take hostages and occupy buildings. But in the eyes of the fascists? We’re all n*****s.
What are you going to do against a tank? Or a jet? Or just artillery fire? And “hit and run” tactics don’t work when there are cameras on every street corner and it is a trivial problem to track people back to their suburbs.
I agree with everything except this. Those cameras are getting smashed day one. Jets and artillery are very unlikely to happen in our scenario here. APCs and AFVs? Oh absolutely, and we don’t even need to have the military for that, even your podunk PD has armored vehicles now. But they’re not as durable as a tank. Wheeled ones are more susceptible to mobility kills. Building dragon’s teeth and porcupines isn’t hard. And there are plenty of IED and urban warfare guides available, even from the US military…
- You very much underestimate how many cameras are out there or how reachable they are
- If you start building dragons teeth in bumfuck Wisconsin you are going to get mortared.
- If you start building dragons teeth in DC you are getting droned.
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What are you going to do against a tank? Or a jet? Or just artillery fire?
I’m going to say the same thing I say to everyone that brings this up thinking they’ve hit on some infallible logic.
Small arms are all you need to eliminate people at the top of command structures, thus collapsing those command structures. A sniper named Simo Häyhä had over 500 confirmed kills during WW2. His job was basically to find and kill officers. He survived the war. You can also look at the Vietnam War. The U.S. was technologically superior to the Vietnamese. We still lost and went home without our mission accomplished. Same thing in the Middle East. Never actually accomplished our goals. Went home. Because it’s really hard to deal with enemies using guerilla tactics with typical firearms.
You don’t seem to understand that protests, while important, don’t make fascists stop being fascists. Force has always been required to put down fascist movements. If this goes far enough there will come a time when protests don’t matter, at all. When that time comes are you gonna let a fascist put a bullet through the back of your skull or are you gonna pick up a firearm and do something? Can’t do that if you don’t have firearms. Can’t do that if you haven’t trained. Can’t do that alone.
If this escalates far enough and people don’t do as I suggested, there will be no resistance beyond protests, which won’t be enough.
I literally just pointed out the “grab a gun and scream wildcats” fallacy below. Again, what is going to happen? The republicans will have experienced so many losses that they, what, pull out of the US and leave it to The Insurgents?
When that time comes are you gonna let a fascist put a bullet through the back of your skull or are you gonna pick up a firearm and do something?
Again, what are your rifles and even homemade molotovs going to do against tanks and drones and artillery? Sure, you’ll kill a few soldiers on the ground. They will then pull back and bomb the fuck out of you. Or they’ll just hop in the APC a shocking number of police stations have and run you down while watching tiktok on their phones
As for “just snipe officials”: Wow. It really is THAT simple.
By the way, have you considered heading over to Gaza and teaching the Palestinians how to resist? They got guns and they got will. So really, the only problem is they aren’t sniping the right people and killing enough soldiers per day for Israel to pull out, right? I mean, it isn’t like there is a difference between a “peace keeping” force and occupiers who want to eradicate all resistance, right?
Then give up and die. That is your choice. I don’t really care. You aren’t useful in the scenario we’re talking about so I’m not too concerned about what happens to you. You’re dead weight.
People who push this kind of thinking still think warfare is carried out and progresses like it did in the Napoleonic era: two orderly opposed fronts clashing head-to-head in theaters with well-defined boundaries - where the adversary with more guns/people/resources win. Because more guns/people directly equates to military power, right?
These folks would do well to spend even the slightest amount of time learning about fourth generational, guerilla war. The fact that bullets ping off of tank armor does not disprove guerilla war.
Let’s take this meme back a couple hundred years and cast you as a counter revolutonary American at the onset of the revolutonary war.
/*Wants to have muskets to fend off british empire
/*british empire:
Starts to seem silly when you realize even our founding fathers were doing guerilla warfare not long ago.
During the American Revolutionary War/Napoleonic War, do you know what a local militia with muskets or even breach loading rifles were good for? Sending into the meat grinder and taking out with artillery.
The ONLY time The Holy Second Amendment was ever a threat to a government was, funny enough, “The Wild West” in the US. That brief window where logistics made deploying the military difficult but everyone and their mother had repeating rifles and pistols and could even get a gatling gun for not TOO much money. Which, funny enough, led to the rise in what were basically PMCs to take out said ruffians and has persisted to today in the form of the over-militarized police force and the idea that you need a full kill team in every village.
As for “Just fight a guerilla war”: I am not interested in the American Revolutionary War (even though all the same arguments hold true…). The US and Russia have both bled and eventually abandoned countries like Afghanistan as the losses became too high to justify the occupation. But basically any time there was a stand up fight, they won overwhelmingly because of things like Helicopters, Tanks, and Artillery.
But then you look at groups like ISIS and warlords in Africa and the chaos that was left in the wake of South America. THOSE forces defeated their guerillas. Why? Because the occupying force actually gave a shit about the land and wanted to keep it. And they didn’t care about public opinion on what they were doing (see also: Israel’s genocide). Some kids run out of the woods, shoot a few people, scream “WILDCATS”, and start macking? Cool. Go round up a dozen people in the town square and execute them. And make it clear that if said wildcats aren’t turned over by next week, another dozen people will be executed. See how fast support for the guerillas goes away. Even better, you know they are hiding in the suburbs near Delancy Street? Set up a perimeter and go door to door executing people until you find them.
Which gets back to your super timely example from the 1700s. Where the Brits basically said “Fuck it, we don’t care” due to the colonies being a whole ocean away and increasing unrest in India. And… India was a LOT more valuable than a bunch of jackasses who didn’t want to pay taxes.
But hey. I am sure with your rifles you can totally lead a guerilla war that makes the republican government abandon the United States because casualties are too high, I guess? It worked for Captain Soap in Call of Duty maybe?
Buddy.
It sounds like your entire argument is “Do nothing because what’s the point?”
You can do nothing and die if things escalate too far. That’s your choice. The rest of us will do something. Because in the face of living under fascism, why the fuck wouldn’t we?
An intelligent person would prepare for that eventuality. A dumb person spends their time throwing their hands up and trying to dissuade others from preparing.
Yes. An intelligent person prepares for eventualities. But in a manner that actually makes a difference.
If all you want to do is buy a bunch of guns and masturbate furiously, go for it. Hell, the republicans will probably think you are one of them since that is indistinguishable from what all the gun nuts say.
If you want to actually make a difference and resist? Like I said. Talk to the old hats at those protests. We are thinking this through and actually studying past events. We just aren’t talking about it on a public social media site where all we know about the admins are they bent over backwards to cover their asses when luigi allegedly blapped that guy.
Yes. An intelligent person prepares for eventualities. But in a manner that actually makes a difference.
But that’s not what you’re doing. Your only suggestion thus far is to protest. I’ve already made it clear to you that if a fascist regime becomes too entrenched then protests mean nothing. And your plan beyond that is to give up and die and try to convince others to do the same.
Protest, by all means, while you can. What I’m talking about, since my very first post, is preparing for what happens if protests don’t work. You don’t have a plan for that, other than giving up. I mean, you keep talking about “talk to the old hats”, like that actually means something. Do you want to elaborate? Cuz beyond protesting it seems like “talk to the old hats” means organize an actual resistance, which is exactly what I’m talking about.
What do you mean “revealed” as if this is news? I thought this was the plan the whole fucking time.
Thank you tankies for putting your feelings above the national grave threat all to feel morally superior.
by tankie you mean Kamala Harris and the DNC?
Trump still would have won in 2024 even if everyone had turned out to vote
Also, how screwed do your priorities have to be to think you’re living in a country in the middle of a fascist takeover and also that a good use of your or anyone else’s time is to blame people who agree with you, who also could not have prevented this? Crab bucket shit.
I don’t see how tankies are to blame for the overwhelming majority of our country’s most powerful people deciding that they support a fascist coup.
Even if we pretend that 2024 was a free and fair election, the electorates that could’ve swung it weren’t bastions of non-voting authoritarian socialists.
You know that are other countries in the world right? And now the MAJORITY of the countries in the world hate the US?
So… yes my feelings are above your pathetic puppet state and I feel way way morally superior than bombing civilians and blackmail the world into agreeing with me. Yes.
You’re welcome.
You mean the rest of the world that’s looking at the genocide and saying, “That’s tragic. Oh well?”
Get over yourself you ignorant child.
No, only the few key politicians that Israel/US are blackmailing say “Oh, well” while everyone else is against it.
Americans elected repeatedly pro-Israeli candidates, last election was between “we commit genocide in the open” and “we secretly commit genocide, you will sleep well tho”. Brave country.
More like we don’t approve of genocide in bombing and displacing civilians versus we approve of genocide by actively starving them out.
Kinda a big difference. One could at least give push back versus the other who tactidly supports this kind of gross behavior.
More like we don’t approve of genocide in bombing and displacing civilians
Well this wasn’t the her stance Ahahah She did approved it, just with longer, quieter action.
The difference between Rep and Dem in america is the exactly the same as left and right wing Zionism. Just switch jews with christians.
But ok, let’s pretend I agree. Can you give me one example where a Democrat President pushed back the Zionist project? (JFK is not valid) *with concrete results, not just words
- Obama pushing for Palestinian state. Netanyahu was so threatened by non capitualtion that he attended Republican shit and campaigned for his interests in congress.
Oh… he attended an event, what a brave concrete result. So concrete that now we have a Palestinian state right? …Right?
Thats all? Surely these very democratic and highly moral politicians have shown empathy for the Palestinians. You wouldn’t support them if they didn’t have a track record of mercy, kindness and empathy.
Like Obama, in Iraq, was such a nice dude, so chill, nothing like those pesky republicans 🤮Its incredible we did manage to move his soul and prevent a massacre right?
“tankie” truly does just mean “anyone to the left of the Democrats”
It’s a civil war.
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That’s what they’ve been counting on. From over a year ago…
Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts said that the country is in the midst of a “second American Revolution” that will be bloodless “if the left allows it to be.”
I wish, but I don’t have faith that enough liberal interests will give a shit. They’ve done little to stand against fascism and have sided with corporate interests every time.
All it takes is 3%. We have the people.
The question really is what % of the army will support Trump. They already made sure that the top brass is full of Trump loyalists.
3% for what? Where did that number even come from?
3% of the population fought in the revolutionary war. It only takes 3% of a population to get things going.
Civil wars aren’t typically fought by politicians. It’s up to regular people.
Regular people who have been pacified by a lifetime of “violence isn’t the answer” and “if you fight back, you’re just as bad.” I hope we find the will to resist, but I worry we’re too far gone.
It’ll take time for good people to lose the “anti-violence” dogma, but it’ll happen; if only because it because it becomes an unavoidable fact of life.
So buy a gun. I did.
It’s like voting; obviously all I can control is my own actions, so I’ll do what I can, but if too many people stay home our chances drop significantly.
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If you are at all surprised by this I got some beach front property in Montana to sell you.
I’d be an ‘optimist’ if I could catch up with them, but they are moving the goal posts too fast.
Fucking Russia and CCP run China in the USA. That is some 3rd World crap right there and the Blue States should tell Canada to annex them ASAP.
Elections are safe and secure. This was established in 2020, so there is nothing to see here.
No shock there. He told his supporters they’d never have to vote again.
The article says the constitution say a president can’t change voting rules, but this president has the house, the senate and the judges.
Not gonna happen, unless of course you want to start to see shit break down.
That’s why I’ve started calling the country the Fascist States of America.
