What if actual artist are using AI to enhance their art. Like, they draw stuff and then scan and edit with AI imaging software to make changes and add depth, etc. Is that allowed? It’s still an artist creating art, they just enhance it with readily available editing software?
What if you just get better at doing your art instead of using a skills-reducing crutch?
What if you also made it clear that a large part of your art is AI-created instead of passing it off as human-made?
What if you stopped making disingenuous arguments in favour of slop?
It’s not me or my art. Dude is an amazing artist, in any media format. I am not being disengenous, nice try. I am also not defending fake AI art as art. Just like any tool, in the right hands it can craft marvelous things. How is using rendering software any different? It just speeds up the process, but time and effort are still applied. You have to know how to use it to use it well. He does t generate images, he enhances his own art. He also went back to school on his 40s to study machine learning because he finds it fascinating and cool. Not your average Joe.
OK. Replace “you” with “your friend from Canada who totally really exists and isn’t made up for rhetorical purposes”.
Hey man, believe what you want. You are wrong and I ain’t afraid of telling you so. I’ll bet a million bucks you don’t know a single artist. I know dozens of them, but only one that likes to use AI, that I am aware of. Not a lot of use for it in the sculpture medium I suppose? I’m an artist to, though not commercially. I can barely draw, have no interest in using AI for anything. I’m just saying, but you’re not here for it. Cool. Big boogey man scary! I get it.
Right. I’m not here for AI slop boosting. Absolutely correct.
This is why the group is called, literally “Fuck AI”.
Maybe you need to find or start a “Can I Please Orally Service AI?” group.
Oh, I thought one could have a discussion, not just take it into the street and beat it with a bat. Sorry, my bad.
I am an artist who works exclusively in the medium of gummy
bears?
Venus de Milos
Now someone just needs to start doing this to all of them (and the lazy 3d print booths) popping up in farmers markets…
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Dragon Con is Labor Day weekend in Atlanta, Georgia. (Annual). It’s the second largest con behind Comic con I believe. Used to have around 65,000-80,000 people but that was a while back. Not sure what it has now
This reminds me of an old story I heard about how a very talented pottery artist got a lifetime ban from the handcraft fair for selling molded products (pottery made with molds, not by hand).
It was interesting because his quality items actually were handcrafted, he just had molded basic stuff on the side that I guess was selling decently well.
Would be funny if an AI booth did the same.
Can’t even run cons at cons anymore. What’s the world coming to?
of course not, you don’t want to mess with recursions in production
It’s dragoncon, the con needs to be ran by a dragon
I bet this guy was selling AI images of a dragon playing the 3-cup-game with another dragon pretending to be in on it to build hype.
Kevin O’Leary?
They should throw a con at the main source of cons: the constitution!
Damn, I wish I had seen that in person. (I barely visited that part of the con – I made a beeline to Bil Holbrook’s booth to congratulate him on 30 years of Kevin and Kell, and then left again because I was in a hurry to get to a panel.)
That is a name I hadn’t thought of for awhile. I should go read it again, got a decade to catch up on!
I’ll be honest: I hadn’t thought of it in a while either, until I ran across this post the other day. I used to read it in the newspaper, but quit subscribing and neglected to add it to my webcomic bookmarks, so I need to catch up too!
I get that it might be “obvious” in this case, but how do they actually prove it?
There are lots of artists that get called AI because theiir style is the kind that AI uses. So how do they make sure they dont kick one of those people out.
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This is /c/fuck_ai, not /c/pretend_ai_is_only_partly_a_scam .
There is no baby in the bathwater. And the bathwater is sewage.
There’s no baby. Slop belongs in the trash.
I dibt think artist shoukd have to prove that though. Abd while im sure its pretty uncommon this would stop an artist sending someone else to a con to sell their works if they cant make it themselves.
Or would be fairly easy to spoof, maybe the guy selling AI can actually draw well enough to put a rough sketch down, or can pull someone elses vod as proof.
I dibt think artist shoukd have to prove that though.
They don’t have to. But if they don’t prove that they made it themselves, they’re going to face a serious loss in reputation and sales in the face of a public that’s getting tired of AI slop.
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There are many tells for AI art.
My favourites are:
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Look for a long thing that is briefly interrupted by something covering it. A good one is, say, the button line of a shirt that has a crossing shoulder belt or the like. Another is a long branch that goes behind another object like a person. Yet another is a walking stick that goes behind a cloak or sword or something. Almost invariably the line does not match on each side of the interrupting object. Often it doesn’t even continue at all. So with the buttons, you’ll see the line of buttons, the belt … and then just fabric. Or the buttons have jumped to the left by half a torso. Or some other such artifact.
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Talking of buttons, look for buttons that don’t do anything. Like a line of buttons on what looks like a sweatshirt or the like: i.e. no gap that needs buttoning. Or buttons that look like they’re buttoning the shirt into the jacket. Or buttons that parallel the main, legit button line temporarily for no reason. (And no, I don’t mean double-breasted jackets!) Or buttons that change styles for no reason. Slopmongers have a very hard time making buttons consistent.
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Text. 'Nuff said. Even the newer models still fuck this up, usually either by having gibberish that only resembles writing if you flash over it quickly with your eyes, or by having text with terrible spelling, weird artifacts that has the text growing into or out of other things, or text that sounds like it was robotically generated.
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Appendages. It’s amazing to me that after all this time and money was spent, you still can’t get consistent numbers of fingers, thumbs, toes, or even primary limbs. We all know the finger thing, but how may times have you noticed the phantom extra hand or two?
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Eyes. Eyes are usually well drawn, actually, but they tend to look everywhere and anywhere but where it might make sense.
All of these flaws (and many, many more) are a result of the slopmaker not having any kind of model of what it’s making. Lines stop or shift for no reason because it doesn’t know that the line on one side of an obstacle is the same as the line on the other. Eyes don’t look at sensible things because it has no idea what the picture is of and thus no idea where eyes would naturally be directed. In general look for things that require a coherent mental model to do right and you’ll spot the AI in no time flat.
Not long before we see a lot of art that is created manually to look like AI slop, where they intentionally do that stuff.
That won’t last long as it gets dumped on the heap of stuff people don’t want to look at.
All these can be touched up if the maker is actually trying to put any effort into it.
But if they’re just using diffusion as a stencil or editor, and they disclose the process… That’s fine, really. That’s more akin to extensively using photoshop.
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Just like speed running, artists will now have to video tape their process if done digitally. I think Photoshop documents as well as other formats can track version history.
Artists have been doing exactly that for decades. I used to run a larger art community around 2016-2018 and providing several in-progress sketches or a video was a minimum requirement for being featured on the homepage. It made sure that people didn’t just literally download someone else’s work and put their signature on it.
Holy shit, this brought a big smile to my face today, thank you! 😄
Oh man… I’m gonna be on the lookout for this garbage when I’m at BLFC. I don’t want to end up giving money to a fraud.
How much for the cardboard sign?
White oil marker might be 5$, cardboard is free with any pizza
Even comes pre-oiled!
Perfect for any artist who forgets his grease pencil
Need to add this to my dating profile quickly
I saw something about the cops being called on them or another vendor selling ai art, which is as hilarious as it is maybe a bit overkill.
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From what I’ve read, it was because they refused to leave.
Yeah that makes sense.
Apparently, it was a regular artist who got the booth (you have to send images to the organizers of what you’re going to sell), but her boyfriend did some AI art and swapped it in on the second day.
I haven’t seen any mention of that, the person knew they were selling ai slop and were arrogant about it.
swapped it in
With the knowledge of the girlfriend? That’s scummy. Without? Pretty fucked up.
Surely she would have to be aware of it? It can’t possibly be good to have no recollection or recognition of what it is you’re selling.
Is this whole stand an art piece? Even better is this whole stand an AI generated art piece?
