Also Apple IIe to start then Power Mac briefly, thanks to school. Later at home Windows 3.1 - Windows 7 I think, Back to OS X, Back to Win 10, Win 11, terror and enlightenment, now Linux.
Knowing how awesome a computer could be with the Power Mac made me demand more from a Windows machine, and then understand early on the disappointment with Windows that would last most of my life.
terror and enlightenment, now Linux.
As Bhuddism teaches, suffering is the human experience. Acceptance of this is necessary to reach nirvana.
Well, it’s really more that pain is part of the human experience. Suffering is our reaction to the pain. We don’t have to suffer when we experience inevitable pain if we are enlightened.
In context: Using Windows 11 is pain. Continuing to use it by choice is suffering. Accepting Linux into your heart and treating the inevitable tweaks like no big deal is enlightenment.
As always, this is a relatively tech-knowledgeable platform. 99% of people didn’t know shit about computers before or after the advent of the iphone, and even before that, building a PC wasn’t on the radar for most.
OTOH fixing issues with computers, PC users would know way more than a Apple user because PCs had way more issues. Not really a flex, but certainly relevant to the discussion.
PCs had way more options, as it was an open hardware system sort of (any company could make the hardware). If your apple broke, there was just nothing you could do too.
Sure. That was the pro and con for PCs. You could do whatever with them, but it meant that in doing whatever there was plenty of opportunity to break things or discover incompatibilities. Apple otoh was fuck you, you’re only doing what we let you do. I despised the walled garden, so I’ve been PC/Windows/Linux forever.
Exactly, and I can’t stand the walled garden either ☺️👍🏻
If someone has a PC they may be more likely to use it to game and also to pirate games and mod games. That can actually lead to learning quite a bit about computers when it comes to the file system which lot of people don’t understand these days, and also following instructions when it comes to completing computer tasks. That sets a pretty good basic starting point. It can also lead to wanting to build their own PC and watch more tech related content.
So can push people from just a simple media consumption device to wanting to tinker.
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Good grief! The word is excluded. Holy shit.
probably a Windows user
Shit was making my eye twitch.
I started on a Mac from Apple’s bad days. The school computers were Windows and it felt like all the other kids had Windows computers at home. I think feeling like I was at the disadvantage probably had an effect on me that led me to Linux. Also the second family computer ran Windows ME, so…
I started out with old Macs running System 7, and it was great. I had several good games installed from floppy disks and found some great shareware games online when we got our first modem and internet
“Discluded”?
Thank you! This meme is reposted often, and that non-word always jumps out at me.
I started on a commodore 64, you kids that started on a machine with a gui were coddled.
Apple ][e was my first. We also had an XP machine for internet (Neopets) but I didn’t have to fight for turns on the Apple.
I had an Apple ][e I could use at school. It was preferable to the ][c for the same reason.
Yeah, it was just MSDOS. I saw “Abort, retry, fail” so many times, and I didn’t even know what it meant because I was four and I just wanted to play Family Feud with my brother.
I know you’re joking but this is how a lot replies here feel. Kids don’t even know how to program using punch cards anymore smh.
40 years from now the newest generation will be saying “Grandpa doesn’t even know know what a Cyber Tibulator Strip is let alone how to use it. If you need him he’s out back yelling at clouds.”
Don’t get me wrong here, tech literacy is low but when has it not been?
Vic-20 here. What a time to be alive.
TRS-80 then IBM PCjr here. Both hand-me-downs though.
Mom wouldn’t let me on the 386 until I could touch-type and write a program in BASIC. She was a Cobol and IBM RPG programmer.
I remember BASIC from school, on the old Acorn BBCs… good times.
I started on an Antikythera mechanism, you kids that started on a modern machine were coddled.
C64 gang, represent!
Seriously though, I feel like that generation of machines was the last time you could look at hardware and say “yeah, I understand literally everything about how this works” and that knowledge has made even some of my (tech sector) coworkers think I’m a wizard
I had a GUI - windows 3.11
But it was so slow. So I made my own gui/menu system that ran in dos. I was between 9-11 I reckon.
Not sure where that lands me on the spectrum of coddledness
Are you joking? C64 was the bomb back in the day! My Atari and Amiga mates were enjoying colors and music and games while I had sat there on my colourless, mute PC. All I had was Flight Simulator 2 in black and white. And DrBrush for drawing in Hercules “graphics” mode.
I can technically claim I started with a hand me down C64 from my grandmother in the early 90s. But I was like 6 years old, and I didn’t really get into computers until we got a Windows 95 machine a couple of years later. Though by 99-2000 I was regularly playing around with the C64 for the novelty of what felt like ancient tech.
I remember using dialup internet on windows 98 in the late 90s to look up how to use the C64.
What if you were started on an Apple computer before Macs existed?
Get out.
I think that being forced to learn about WINE at a young age may have been beneficial actually (if extremely unpleasant)
I remember when Wine was in alpha for twelve years (and then beta for three more). Was surprised to learn that it finally exited that stage, some time ago already.
So unpleasant.
There are dozens of us
If you’re using Lemmy there’s a good chance you’ll be excluded from the study. Some of the largest Lemmy communities are Linux related.
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What about people who started on DOS?
They are either database administrators or completely oblivious to modern technology
Lies and slander.
I am a system administrator and a network administrator. I abhor database management tyvm.
Heh, me too. DBAs are to sysadmins what sysadmins are to devs
Or AmigaOS?
Or Basic 2.0?
There was a 2.0?
TIL.
I was referring to the C64 which came with Basic V2. I did have a Commodore plus/4 as well to do some programming - it came with Basic 3.5 as far as I remember.
Oooh. That version. I forgot they called that basic 2.0
Alright.
honestly i think part of the reason i’m a computer tinkerer now is my formative years were spent trying to run specific minecraft launchers, n64 emulators and other stuff on the family mac
Yeah the mac or pc part doesn’t really matter if youre curious and like learning. You can do a lot with mac. However on the surface I would say its a little more simplified.
“discluded”
From Middle English discluden, from Latin disclūdō, disclūdere (“separate or keep apart”).
from Middle English, an obsolete term: https://www.oed.com/dictionary/disclude_v?tl=true
- (now nonstandard)
lemmy will upvote anything
C-64 -> DOS (at school) -> Unix (at uni) -> Every Windows from 3.1 to Win10 including some NT -> Linux/Win10
That pretty much dates me, with that huge stretch of time.
Messed around with Linux a few times on and off (Mandrake was first), never took the plunge until recently where it’s now my primary. And it’s not Arch.
I built by first PC when I was 12, I guess I’m autistic.
First computer I used was DOS.
Also DOS, the single button on the Mac mouse was a whole new way of using a computer.
Mine had 3.1 on it, but most of the games had to b3 run through dos prompt
Also DOS. Now I’m a digital plumber, keeping the pipes and tubes of the Internet from getting backed up with all the things happening commercially.
Remember, the Internet is not something you can just dump something on, it’s not a big truck.
