The arrest of a senior military figure who allegedly leaked footage purporting to show Palestinian prisoners being abused has shocked Israel and ignited a major political row.

Rule of law is obviously sympathetic to Hamas.

  • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    97·
    10 days ago

    Tomer-Yerushalmi appeared to be a model servant of the state. Only the second woman to rise to the position, in 2021, she was appointed chief military advocate – effectively the IDF’s top lawyer.

    She was shaping up to be such a good little war criminal, but she just had go and develop a moral compass…

    The country was also still in the grip of profound shock and, for many citizens, fury at the October 7 massacre, with extremely limited concern for the treatment of detained Palestinians.

    Such a way with words. “extremely limited concern for the treatment of detained Palestinians” is a very pretty way to say “thirsting for the blood of innocent civilians”

    • TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyzEnglish
      581·
      10 days ago

      October 7 massacre

      vs

      detained Palestinians

      Completely ignoring the starved, bombed, and shot ones not in detention (they are dead)

    • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
      17·
      9 days ago

      but she just had go and develop a moral compass

      It’s not so straightforward.

      Traditionally Israel’s government and military have considered the existence of an independent judiciary a crucial barrier to international legal tribunals investigating Israel for alleged abuses against Palestinians.

      Where there is a robust national legal system willing and able to investigate and prosecute crimes, international courts are less likely to have jurisdiction to intervene.

      “Don’t they understand we had no choice? That the only way to address the wave of international legal proceedings is by proving we can investigate ourselves?” the investigative reporter Ronen Bergman quoted the advocate general telling colleagues six weeks ago, in a report for Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper.

      In recent decades many Israelis have seen the role of the military advocate general “as protecting soldiers from prosecution abroad”, said Prof Yagil Levy, head of the Institute for the Study of Civil-Military Relations at Israel’s Open University.

      “In other words, the law is not upheld as a value in itself, but as a defence against international tribunals.”

      Her office exists (to self-police just enough?) to avert international prosecution.

  • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2122·
    10 days ago

    The most fucked up part about this story is that hundreds of Israeli fascists literally stormed the military base the perpetrators were being imprisoned — committing domestic terrorism — in defence of the war criminals, demanding their release.

    Israel is a fascist state because its founders spent the last century propagandising its citizens and the entire Jewish diaspora. It’s not a surprise the Israeli majority think Palestinians are sub-human and their extermination is justified; that will not change for generations, and only after Israel is globally shunned, militarily neutered, required to return to its original borders, and pay to rebuild all of Palestines infrastructure.

    • PeacefulForest@lemmy.worldEnglish
      18·
      9 days ago

      I watch this guy on YouTube who is Palestinian and talks to Israeli, last guy said he advocates for the murder of children because of October 7

        • PeacefulForest@lemmy.worldEnglish
          171·
          9 days ago

          He just kept saying all Palestinians are evil and when he was a truck driver for the IDF he wishes he got a chance to kill Palestinians, while simultaneously saying it’s not a genocide.

    • JayTreeman@fedia.io
      71·
      10 days ago

      Unfortunately, it’s not just an Israeli thing. There’s lots of Zionists in NA who say things like ‘the Palestinians don’t even know how to farm’…

      • CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        34·
        10 days ago

        They’re useless people. Look how much change Israel has accomplished in the last 60 years! They created a large economy, industrialized, created so many farms and made the land productive. None of the Arab states want to take all the Palestinians, which shows you what they really think. And the Palestinians are terrorists too.

        I just can’t even with people sometimes.

  • Cyberflunk@lemmy.worldEnglish
    265·
    9 days ago

    disgusting… do they think they can match the usa for atrocities, we got that shit on lock. amateurs.

    omfg i hate this world

  • ameancow@lemmy.worldEnglish
    642·
    9 days ago

    I’ve let myself watch just one short video of atrocities committed by Israel in the last couple years and I still think about it and choke up thinking about it daily. Just one of many like it.

    I am not the strongest person emotionally despite a really tough exterior, I have seen a lot of death and been through some shit. So to think about what’s been happening there all day, every day, to families and children, it’s too much to process. I have to advocate in a completely detached frame or I will be unable to form a cognitive thought.

    • khannie@lemmy.worldEnglish
      151·
      9 days ago

      That’s OK. You’re doing the best you can. Try to go easy on yourself.

    • samus12345@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      6·
      9 days ago

      The level of suffering people all over the world go through on a daily basis in unimaginable and we’re not capable of caring about it in depth and still functioning. Best you can do is be aware it exists and keep a wall up, only lowering it on occasions where you might be able to help. The fact that you care at all shows you’re not a MAGA monster.

      • ameancow@lemmy.worldEnglish
        8·
        9 days ago

        The fact that you care at all shows you’re not a MAGA monster.

        It’s wild because I was raised conservative and was one until I left the family compound (let that one sink in) and it was reading, learning and experiencing human life that turned me around pretty fast. I saw science being ignored, I saw heartlessness, I saw them fabricate justification to start a war, and one particular night I saw FOX news play a live feed of a US humvee entering Baghdad shred a civilian truck to pieces with a grenade launcher for no reason, and they were playing patriotic music and had American flags all over the graphics and I got really sick and never watched FOX news again.

        • samus12345@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          3·
          9 days ago

          I’m so glad you got away from that. It’s hard to not completely succumb to misanthropy sometimes and stories like yours remind me that there’s some hope.

  • HugeNerd@lemmy.caEnglish
    232·
    9 days ago

    Israel is our greatest ally and only democracy in the Middle East. Not like that washing machine CPU country, they’re just evil.

  • Jo Miran@lemmy.mlEnglish
    481·
    10 days ago

    Any possible relevant comment I want to make violates site policy. They are the 21st century Nazis.

    • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.worldEnglish
      111·
      9 days ago

      That’s rather impressive for Lemmy. I’ve seen open calls for violent actions stick around and not get banned on this platform. Might have been a different instance than .world though.

      • ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.orgEnglish
        121·
        9 days ago

        I mean, lemmy.world has to follow German law and reminder: saying “Palestinian people suffer” not followed by “…because of Hamas” is legally problematic there. Still, it’s easy to misjudge one’s relative freedom of speech: I am (un)lucky to live in a country with a higher rating than the US and it doesn’t stop populists from whining when people’s rights groups challenge their false and/or racist posters.

    • QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      438·
      10 days ago

      The Nazis were German fascists who thought the Jewish population was inhibiting their destiny of creating a master race. Israel does not maintain any of these views so while they are Israeli fascists they are not Nazis.

        • QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          133·
          10 days ago

          Nah, it’s messed up to make direct comparisons between Nazis and Jewish people, Roma people or any other ethnicity that was targeted for elimination by Nazis.

          It isn’t pedantry as much as it is anti-racism.

          • pelespirit@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            22·
            9 days ago

            A person bullied can still be a bully. A person that was horrifically abused can still be an abuser.

            The Israelis in power are now ethnic cleansing Palestinians. Being Jewish or not doesn’t even factor into the equation.

            • QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              124·
              9 days ago

              Ok buddy but nothing you write changes what “Nazi” means. Nazis are German fascists. Israeli fascists are not German fascists so they cannot be Nazis.

              • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
                121·
                9 days ago

                Do you think maybe that the person who originally made that comment knows this? Everyone else knew what they were saying, and I’m pretty sure you did too.

                • QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  111·
                  9 days ago

                  I think the dipshit who made this claim is not any more intelligent or informed than the dipshits that agree with it. The only real question at hand is how much of this comparison is just racism masking itself as something based around morality.

      • verdi@feddit.orgEnglish
        402·
        10 days ago

        The Nazis Zionists were German Israeli fascists who thought the Jewish Palestinian population was inhibiting their destiny of creating a master race. Israel does not maintain any of was founded based on these views so while they are Israeli fascists they are not also neoNazis.

        • QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          224·
          9 days ago

          Your strikethroughs don’t mean ypur claim makes any sense. Israelis don’t believe they are destined to form a master race.

          • Gerudo@lemmy.zipEnglish
            8·
            9 days ago

            They use terms like sub-human.

            I’ve heard that term used by another group before…

          • Evkob (they/them)@lemmy.caEnglish
            261·
            9 days ago

            It’s not Nazi unless it’s from the Rhine basin area, otherwise it’s just sparkling genocide.

            This is what you’re arguing about. The intent in calling them Nazis isn’t to insinuate they’re members of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei and no one would assume that’s the intent.

            “Nazi” is common parlance as a shorthand for genocidal fascists because the Nazis are by far the most well-known genocidal fascists.

            The meaningless semantic argument you’re putting forth is either a useless distraction, or you’re simply purposefully arguing in bad faith to derail the conversation.

            • QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              217·
              9 days ago

              No that claim is similarly ignorant. The Nazis are/were a specific party with a specific ideology that Israel is not perpetuating. It is factually incorrect to call them Nazis. This would be akin to labelling AOC a “communist”. AOC is not a communist nor is Israel a Nazi state.

              This is of course ignoring the inherent question of racism that is always baked in to comparing the historic victims of Nazi racism to Nazis themselves.

              You can hate Israel without making comparisons to the Nazis.

              • Hazor@lemmy.worldEnglish
                91·
                9 days ago

                making comparisons

                You explicitly acknowledge that they’re just making comparisons while also suggesting they’re calling Israel literal Nazis. Your trolling isn’t even internally consistent.

  • Redditsux@piefed.caEnglish
    710·
    9 days ago

    Whether that argument succeeds, Israel’s reputation as a country with the rule of law is once again in the dock.

    What reputation? Israel and Hamas are the same. There is no rule of law. They are hating brutalizing killing each other with impunity. I’m glad I don’t live anywhere near them.

  • TheMinister@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    1221·
    9 days ago

    “Showing video of our actions is blood libel”

    Why does this type of bald faced deflection still work enough that they can keep doing it

  • Kyden Fumofly@lemmy.worldEnglish
    46·
    9 days ago

    The torture video shaking Israel to its core because it leaked not because of the event happening. The leak is perceived as treason by the majority of Israel and they are fine with the tortures…

  • CaptainBlinky@lemmy.myserv.oneEnglish
    1·
    7 days ago

    The video isn’t shocking Israel. That one of their top lawyers leaked it is. Israel is knowingly genocidal. Literally everyone serves in the military at some point in their lives, so they all know what they’re doing. They just don’t want the rest of us to see it openly.