• sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    … I don’t think I have ever seen the rightoids more triggered, shitting and pissing, crying and whining.

    God damn.

    Oh well, stay mad I guess.

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        He already kinda’ did - his plan for the minimum wage increase to $30/hr is a five year plan (supposed to fully be enacted by 2030)

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    God, how I wish that US Democrats were even half as absolutely based as the right wing makes them sound.

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    They’re so fucking hurt XD. It’s literally not going to affect 99% of the people who see this headline

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    For those that dont know the difference:

    Socialist: Wants to replace capitalism entirely. The idea is that workers or the state should own the means of production (factories, land, major industries) so wealth isn’t concentrated in private hands.

    Democratic Socialist: Wants to keep democracy and some market economy, but make it fairer. They push for strong social welfare, workers’ rights, public services, and limits on corporate power. Basically, capitalism with guard rails that prioritise people over profit.

    To dumb it down even further, think of Democratic Socialism as what you have today in the US, but with a safety net and better start for everyone in life.

    Even further for those of you with room temp IQs

    Socialist = smash capitalism. Democratic Socialist = make capitalism nicer.

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      Socialist: Wants to replace capitalism entirely.[…]

      Democratic Socialist: Wants to keep democracy

      I don’t know if you meant it that way, but the two are not exclusive. Democracy does not require capitalism and vice versa. Some would argue capitalism is counter to democracy because the concentration of wealth is a concentration of power that needs to be avoided in democracy.

      Socialism and even communism are originally deeply democratic ideas. Remember the soviet union? Of course Stalin just used it as a label, but *soviet means council. It should have been governed by a hierarchy of councils of increasing spheres of influence democratically deciding matters that concerned the people they represented (from city block council, factory council, […] up to national level). That was the original idea until the authoritarians took over.

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        Some would argue capitalism is counter to democracy

        I’d say that capitalism is violently incompatible with democracy - that’s the whole reason they send violent goon squads out every time people start doing things democratically.

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      Im pretty sure youre mixing up democratic socialist with social democrat

      A democratic socialist wants socialism, they just want to do it through gradual reform

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        Maybe a little? The sweet spot is probably somewhere between these two, at least as far as I can see, there is a lot of overlap, if not in theory then in practice. No matter where America goes next, or what it calls itself, having a strong safety net and a great spring board for everyone to get a start in life would really go a long way, if not all the way, to finally realising the American Dream. If nothing else, the fact that Mamdani got elected is reason to dare to hope again. Something I dont think anyone has done in 20+ years.

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          I still think it’s bad branding. A Democratic Socialist is, semantically, a Socialist. It implies that the social safety nets and limits on capitalism are intended as a stepping stone to full socialism, which I think most Americans don’t want. If that isn’t the intention, all the more reason to use a different branding. “Social Democrat” would not have the same connotation. It seems like the label has been worn proudly, especially by Bernie Sanders, for so long that it’s been accepted as the right label, but IMO it was a regrettable choice which makes it unnecessarily hard for the left to gain mainstream support.

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            You’re talking as if the label has no real meaning and is just an accessory. Consider the possibility Zohran calls himself a Democratic Socialist because that’s what he actually believes in. It’s not just branding, it’s a statement of intent. His platform may just be social democratic, but his long term vision does seem to be full socialism.

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        That said a democratic socialist might appear as a social democrat when doing baby steps to gain power in the anti-socialist hellhole that is the US. Free buses, rent freeze at first, then replace capitalism from the NYC mayoral office. 😄

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    These people are so out of touch it’s actually hilarious, for some reason they think that people still live in the cold war era, like throwing around some ancient language and random symbols should make the people afraid or something…fucken pathetic

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      they think that people still live in the cold war era

      Their target audience is boomers. Now if only they still had the Russophobia that they did back then…

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        Agreed, thank god the majority of the voters are not in this age group, imagine the horror

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          Yeah but we need that good old-fashioned vigilance against Russian propaganda … now the same folks swallow it hook, line, and sinker.

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            Some do. Most are still busy swallowing their own government propaganda. And it’s hard to spot when we’re bombarded from birth and (excuse the well-worn cliché) the memory hole has become an ever-expanding black hole.

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      like throwing around some ancient language and random symbols should make the people afraid or something

      In my experience, it still does for conservatives and many born before the mid seventies. None of them can tell you why or even what any of the terms or symbols mean, but they’ve been told all their lives those things are bad and have never stopped to wonder why.

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        Luckily the brain washing era is almost over, it’s time for new blood and fresh ideas, nothing rooted in irrational fear of anything or anyone we don’t understand, if people are willing, and it seems that most are, things can hopefully change the better, we had enough of the same ancient people deciding which world my 12 year old should grow up in

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          I with that were true but it’s worse than ever. Corporate and government propaganda pervades every aspect of people’s lives in the United States.

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          Luckily the brain washing era is almost over

          Oh you sweet, summer child. Corporate social media is a much more effective propaganda tool than any Cold War era stuff could ever hope to be.

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            While I agree with you that’s way more aggressive, and flat out crazy, but Mamdani win is living proof that there’s still a glimpse of hope, just looks at the millions they spent to make sure that he never comes to power, and still failed, the change has to start somewhere, right?

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    Sue the fuck out of them. That’s how you deal with billionaires other than how that luigi guy did…