“Fcking bitch,” Jonathan Ross, the ICE agent who killed Renee Good, says in the video.*
A newly released cellphone video, apparently filmed by the ICE officer who killed Renee Nicole Good, and obtained by Minneapolis-based Alpha News, a conservative-leaning nonprofit news site, appears to sharply contradict the U.S. government’s public account of the fatal Wednesday shooting, raising new questions about whether the agent who opened fire was ever in immediate danger.
The footage was recorded on a cellphone by ICE officer Jonathan Ross, not by a department body camera. It captures Ross’s own perspective as he approaches Good’s maroon Honda Pilot during what the Department of Homeland Security claims was a federal operation in south Minneapolis.
Her wife, Becca Good, stands nearby, recording as well.
Her wife WATCHED HER GET MURDERED by Jonathan Ross? What a blood curdling nightmare.
It just gets worse the more videos and angles you see.
I hope Jonathan Ross’s family watches as the state executes him for premeditated murder.
You have a lot of faith in this so called justice system
We don’t have a justice system in America, we have a legal system, and it will be used against you.
Yep exactly, won’t be used against cops or ice
Could happen to anyone of us. If ICE agents don’t start taking bullets to the face soon, then that probability increases exponentially over the next few months.
I don’t think untrained violent people will respond less violently when the likelihood of violence against them increases. I would say y’all need to build barricades to safeguard neighborhoods, you need masses that can only be mowed down, and need to avoid being easily singled out. Using the car you are sitting in as a barricade is incredibly dangerous because there is a track record of using vehicles as weapons.
Ice shooting people is already becoming more common. They’re escalating because there has been no consequences.
Where’s the full video
In the article as a link to Twitter, which I have blocked at DNS level, so I also hope someone posts the actual video here
Edit: https://nitter.net/AlphaNews/status/2009679932289626385?s=20#m
It is SO fucking crazy to me after reading the comments on this video and others about the incident on x, how people all watch exactly the same clips and are able to arrive at polar opposite conclusions.
Both sides seem to have their narratives vindicated at the same time. I think that such a crazy thing.
Ask and ye shall receive
Note that he checks the stickers on her car to confirm political affiliation before he murders her.
Were some of those stickers political?
Why would that matter?
To me it looks like he’s checking the license plate and the commenter is making things up
Me too, thanks for beating me to it. And God bless NextDNS
That is not good video to show the whole picture, it cuts out the crucial part, better shown in the video filmed from the back of the car.
This is the one right wants you to see, because it doesn’t show that she wasn’t the aggressor.
This shows all https://bsky.app/profile/bellingcat.com/post/3mbzglg3ids24
In the video the cop conspicuously stops and pauses to look at the political stickers on the back of the vehicle before the shooting.
I noticed that too. He clearly was documenting her for future harassment at the very least.
Shouldn’t he use his bodycam to do that?
Body cam would be something you could subpoena easier. Phone would be his personal property and he can upload that video anywhere he wants and give it to whomever he wants. Consider we have this video because he sent it to an conservative media outlet trying to get sympathy. We have this video because he’s a fucking moron.
Yeah, I understand this. But one may think a video recorded using a personal device will present chain of custody troubles if it ends being used in a court of justice.
It was NEVER going to be used as legal evidence. He was collecting her info so he or other ICE could harass her later. That’s why he focuses on all of the identifying info like the stickers and her license plate.
The dude murdered someone and you’re over here wondering how he would legally use his harassment video in court. That was NEVER his intention. That’s EXCATLY why it’s on his phone and not body cam. For personal, illegal use.
The only court this video will see is as an exhibit for the prosecution. And as evidence of him committing murder, chain of custody is just fine.
Pretty sure he’s just recording the license plate.
On his personal phone and not on a body cam or writing it in an official log? Why would a government agent need his own personal evidence against you if not for vigilante harassment?
Those are just national park stickers iirc but I’m sure these toe headed lumps didn’t know that.
This guy doesn’t belong in jail, he belongs on the gallows
This would have been true sooner than this point in the regime but this event is the flashpoint, if I find out that any of my relatives or family members are ICE thugs I would dox them in a heartbeat.
We don’t need MORE proof. Insinuating we need any more proof gives a veneer of validity to the suggestion there is any doubt at all. This is typical right wing “inundate with bullshit” that leaves anyone with a shred of hope of having an honest discussion constantly scrambling to offer more and more proof while the fact is that the Right DO NOT CARE. They’re here to “win”; honesty, morals, truth, reality be damned.
That video is tainted. No custody of evidence. The shooter had 48 hours to edit the video.
Sync up the video /audio to thwle dozen others and see if things line up? How much time was removed from the phone?
If the video conveniently “proved” his claims of self defense, you’d have a point. But it clearly doesn’t. It shows he murdered her and his claims of self defense are a blatant lie. You’re literally arguing “well maybe it was self defense because the video could have been edited by the PERPETRATOR to not show it was self defense”. Like wtf?! You’re arguing that the dude purposely edited the video to make himself look worse.
Im not saying the video proves innocence. It can be manipulated and still not help the officer. The fact is ICe/magazine arent the smartest people and I would challenge that video on the basis of custody alone.
And again, arguing custody would be arguing AGAINST the shooter. AT BEST, it would get the video thrown out and then we’d just look at the 4 other videos that all show the exact same thing. It literally doesn’t help, at all. It literally only would add a charge of tampering with evidence.
Pro-ICE voices (not necessarily people) think that the video supports the white house claims. The leaked site is right wing, and Vance shared it saying people should watch it.
It’s crazy that this video seems to be such a Rorschach test.
Yeah I’m pretty sure their take on it is “her gay leftie lover made him feel threatened”
Aka setting the "don’t worry, she wasn’t ‘one of us’ " distinction for the MAGAtts
It still could be used as a argument by the right in that way.
And it would be a dumb fucking argument considering the 3-4 other videos that all corroborate this one. Stop being retarded and proposing half-assed “what-ifs”. Besides the fact that him editing it would be tampering with evidence and IS ITS OWN CRIME. Yeah, he’s just gonna admit to illegally tampering with the video to make himself look worse to create reasonable doubt… when other videos clearly show the incident as well. Ffs, I know these people are morons but you’re taking the cake.
There is really no need to use slurs.
Yeah, I don’t subscribe to that euphemism treadmill bullshit. Maybe save your outrage for things that are actually offensive, like our government murdering people in cold blood, not fucking words. This neutering of our language is bullshit and yes, some things are fucking retarded and need to be called out as such. Trying to defend the shooter here is fucking retarded. I stand by what I said.
And this is why liberals hate other liberals. Were discussing a fucking murder and you’re over here complaining about language. Unless you’re this perfect idealized liberal, other liberals will take the time to bring you down instead of the much more pressing and bigger issue.
Seriously, fuck off with this retarded fucking shit. We NEED words for when things are so ass backwards and anti-logical. I’m not gonna sit here and wish that we “unalive the meanies”. Grow a fucking spine.
Also, dont call me a fucking liberal. Yall are bunch of politicucks.
Few arguments:
My cousin has downs, she’s retarded, but isn’t an idiot, she’s lovely to be around. Using a word that describes something she was born with to describe the negative choices someone has made is insulting.
We do have other words to describe when things are so back-asswards and anti-logical. Hell, make up your own completely new word, use some creativity.
Just because there’s a larger issue, doesn’t mean we should ignore a smaller issue, especially when the smaller issue is so fucking easy to solve. It’s like not cleaning your bathroom because racism exists.
It is immoral, ignorant, and shortsighted but i fail to see how it has anything to do with retardation. If you arent using that term clinically, which is antiquated these days anyways, then you are using it as a slur. Which is very unnecessary. I’m not mad but i do think our use of language matters. Your use of that word also makes you look shortsighted and ignorant. Your defense of it makes you also look immoral.
Edit: my point being we already have much more descriptive words for this and the use of slurs makes you look just a ignorant as them.
Now go make yourself useful and kill a fash
It’s weird that they’d release it.
Her last words were something like “I’m not mad” and his were “fucking bitch”.
They think this is a definitive proof that she tried to kill him. They’re saying this is body cam footage and that him putting his phone down to grab his gun was him getting hit. They’ve already forgotten every other video out there.
I think these people are so far down the rabbit hole that they don’t even realize that their narrative is bullshit. Nobody in the Administration looked at that video and said “shit, we have a problem” because they’re all True Believers and think they are right about everything.
I saw a video recently covering the proliferation of body cam YouTube. A side-conclusion was that in most of the most viral “Karen does xyz,” the “Karen” is a racist conservative that voted for Trump, sometimes they even inform the officers of their voting choices. A person like that freaks out because the system they voted for is affecting them, when they thought it affect the “bad people,” of which they, of course, aren’t. They’re good, they don’t have a previous criminal record, unlike those “other [colored] people.” Some of them even said that part out loud.
It was obviously said better in the video, but it made a lot of sense to me, and it makes even more sense when we see these peoples’ role models doing the exact same thing; insisting they’re right when they clearly are not.
r/conservative full on believes this video DesTrOys tHe LIbS and exonerates the officer.
r/conservative is full of morons
And bots, and Russians.
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They’re only allowing their flaired bots to post in that thread. But I have no doubt magat that see what they want to see.
They’re literally in a death cult.
Yes, they are ‘true believers’, if you wanna phrase it that way.
Thats… how fascism works, you make up what functionally constitutes a religion, based on mythic narratives revolving around blood and soil, which mentally place the adherent into the role of a religious extremist, fighting for their perverted idea of ‘justice’.
Or course they don’t. The only consistency in their narrative is their incessant need to be right. They say she tried to run ICE over, you show that’s not true. They pivot to she shouldn’t have been running away from the scene of the crime. You tell them there was no crime, they pivot to ICE had a right to detain her. Tell them ICE actually has no right to detain citizens they’ll say how they don’t actually know the law, they can only give their opinion and then loop back around to “she tried to run them over” so she’s in the wrong.
They’re not interested in getting to the truth, they’re only interested in being right. Since they only care about being right they also don’t care about being internally consistent. They will accept whatever contradictory bullshit as long as it means they’re right.
Bingo. Also called “moving the goalposts”.
Exactly, I’ve seen people on their side saying this video makes the victim look bad…
These people are too far gone.
Some people need an enemy or they can’t make sense of the world. I’m not talking about a run of the mill competitive streak, they simply can’t understand society as anything other than a struggle for dominance. If they don’t have some sort of conflict to focus on, they make one just to quiet the cognitive dissonance they’re feeling.
I don’t know if it’s learned or innate, but it makes people easy fodder for conspiracy theories and the sort of high-functioning sociopaths we’ve been electing recently.
Reminds me of videos from Iraq and Afghanistan and how it made yankistanis so proud of extra judicial killings. Similar to how ISIS did for innocent people.
So out of touch with empathy.
These morons think this proves they’re right. Vance retweeted the video as said this
“Watch this, as hard as it is,” Vance wrote. “Many of you have been told this law enforcement officer wasn’t hit by a car, wasn’t being harassed, and murdered an innocent woman. The reality is that his life was endangered and he fired in self defense.”
I’ve never wanted to punch someone square in the face quite as much as Vance while watching his press conference. The level of disingeniuty and vileness from these people is somehow still shocking, and I didnt think I could be surprised by how low they could go anymore
TIL “I’m not mad” is a death threat
The Party told you to ignore the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
- George Orwell, 1984
Then don’t actually believe that. They just don’t care. They’re taunting everyone who isn’t outright evil.
Yup, they don’t even see the same reality we do. As if his camera shaking was proof he was in danger.
It’s not hard for them to see the actual explanation, but they have no interest in finding it. Maybe it was shaking because he moved slightly out of the way (which the other video clearly shows) he was firing his gun? No? Right-wing Twitter just wants to feel right and not think too hard about it? Okay.
I grew up in a family full of cops and as a kid / teenager I was taken around on ridealongs in the 80s / 90s with family members. I’d be shocked if that’s kosher now, but I’m glad it was something I got to experience back in the day.
I will never forget watching cops just get out of the way and let a person of interest or suspect drive off. They’d do that, and like clockwork, say “no one outruns Motorola.” (Motorola was the wireless giant at the time.) It wasn’t worth putting lives at risk when you could just knock on that person’s door at a later date.
This guy wasn’t doing anything by the book. He was escalating, approaching a moving vehicle, he had his firearm in hand, etc. People are literally trained NOT to do everything this guy did. It puts everyone at risk. The officer, the driver, bystanders, etc.
What’s absolutely bonkers is the DHS went out and immediately called her a domestic terrorist. Our tax dollars paid to kill her and post propaganda on x defaming her.
They had to immediately make that call.
Anyone with even an ounce of brain matter sees the true story, but the Trump camp needed to quickly twist the facts to keep the MAGAts on their side and slathering at the mouth.This murder is 1000x worse, but the narrative is exactly the same as the ‘immigrants are eating people’s pets’ bullshit.
All 100% untrue, but the Trump people will continue to lie, double-down and shout their version of the story at every possible moment to drown out the real truth. Which is, they are full of shit, and they know they are full of shit, but they can’t risk showing even the slightest crack in their hold on power, as warped as it is.If you’re a Democrat your car immediately becomes a lethal weapon are you must be stopped by any means necessary - if the pedestrian is a Republican.
If you’re a Republican you may use your vehicle to kill any Democrat under any circumstances.
There’s no attempt to reconcile these two conflicting opinions…from a knuckle dragging Fox viewer to SCOTUS.
It looks doctored to me.
For one thing they made physical contact which we know didn’t happen. For another, it’s 47 seconds long.
I’ve seen three videos now and the other two both appear to show contact. Those are the view from above and in front, down the street. It’s quite poor quality but seems to show the killer against the car as it moves away; and the view from behind, which is better quality but a worse angle. It also looks like he was touching the car/contacted by it as it moves off.
I did see physical contact in another video.
It looks like the corner of the car is up against him, but he put himself there and she was clearly turning away from him. Then he just pushes himself off the car as she is turning and shoots her.
Nope. It looks like it, but another angle shows it never got anywhere near him, and his first shot was after jumping back, anyway. And also, this video shows him approaching AS IT’S MOVING.
I’m not disagreeing with him putting himself on that position. I am not defending this murderer at all, but I don’t think it is helpful to claim there was no contact when there clearly was.
It worse, they truly believe it supports their version of the events.
I wish his last words were that.
Here’s a link with all the videos synced: https://bsky.app/profile/bellingcat.com/post/3mbzglg3ids24
It’s clear the only reason she backed up was to AVOID him. If she wanted him dead he would’ve been toast.
He’s actually lucky she wasn’t angled towards him because he chose that moment to make her slam on the gas.
Crazy in the bottom video labeled CNN, you can see him walk in front of the car AFTER it started moving.
Most people wouldn’t jump in front of a chef chopping with a knife then kill the chef for stabbing them. Idk why ICE thinks it’s a good idea to jump in front of a moving car.
…so does this one.
So, that guy is just stupid. I assumed but thanks for verifying.
pre-trump, who knows if they’ve secretly changed the policies since then. But then again, the murderer was working for ICE when that policy was enacted.
Oh im sure they are encouraged to make situations.
Deliberate. A report by experts studied incidents from Jan 2010 to Oct 2012 and found US Border Patrol agents stepped in front of vehicles 67 times to justify shooting drivers. Results were 19 deaths.
Jonathan Ross worked for US Border Patrol from 2005 until 2015.
https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-border-killings-20140227-story.html
Crazy in the bottom video labeled CNN, you can see him walk in front of the car AFTER it started moving.
That’s the point. This was a manufactured killing. By stepping front of the car, he can deploy the South Park Defense: “She was coming right at me!”
In her rationalization speech, The Puppy Killer mentioned how blocking ICE cars was an increasing strategy. What she didn’t say was that it’s been effective at slowing them down, and giving targets a longer head start to escape.
It’s clearly pissing her off. Stephen “PeeWee Himmler” Miller is demanding 3000 scalps per day, and they aren’t even close. Shes probably getting her ass reamed by PeeWee every fucking day.
We’re going to find out that orders came down to make an example out of one of the blockers, and this was the opportunity. This guy wasn’t new and poorly trained, he was a veteran officer with a beef against fleeing vehicles (he’d been recently injured in a vehicle incident because he behaved poorly and impulsively in that incident, too). He was exactly the kind of trusted operative that you could give an order like that to, and know it will be followed.
Pakled Holman seemed surprised by this, so it probably wasn’t him. The order almost certainly originated with The Puppy Killer, but she was probably told by PeeWee to do something decisive.
Jeez, you could do a VR recreation
Bellingcat does great work.
Lol are you saying you wouldn’t have called her any names? Also, how do we know that was him talking? There were other officers around. IMO both parties made big mistakes. It all seems a bit contrived, but isn’t that the point?
What mistake was made by the victim?
From what I see in the footage(the far-away angle), she dropped someone off(presumably her child) and just parked sideways in the street for a while, blocking most of it, which isn’t wise if ICE just happens to be on that same street and needs to use it, even if you don’t agree with them. When approached by officers, regardless of whether they were 100% following proper procedure, most people would just turn the car off and comply, choosing to fight it in court later and win one of the many successful lawsuits other civilians have won in the past. Instead, after watching him walk around her vehicle filming, she chose to listen to her wife, who yelled “drive, baby, drive” and hit the gas. Whether she was a victim or a criminal, that was foolish because she clearly did it before he pulled his gun(obviously the conservative crowd would argue that was what made him do it, but who really knows).
For the record, I’m not defending the guy who shot her either. Even if the first shot he fired was justified, the 2nd and 3rd shots were not.
Yeah if I shot someone in the face I’d probably feel bad and not call them a bitch, even if it was a nazi bootlicker defending this murderer.
Interesting. Do you think he knew immediately he had killed her? He seemed to call her a bitch(if it was him speaking) as she was driving off, before she hit the parked cars. Also, did the wife outside the car yell “drive, baby, drive” because she was afraid? The guy who shot her was walking around the car, but he didn’t draw his gun until he got in front and she started to hit the gas. They all had clear police markings on their uniforms, but what was the correct response from her in that situation(genuine question)?
Interesting, the video shows her backing up and then cutting the wheel HARD RIGHT, AWAY from the agent who EASILY SIDESTEPPED, and that is when he shot her point blank in the face with at least 2 rounds, and watched her slump over the wheel as the car accelerated straight into a post, all while spitting out “fuckin’ bitch” like he just fucking SHOWED HER.
It’s disgusting to see how many sociopaths like you exist in this world.
I agree there are a lot of sociopaths out there, but do you know what that word means? I’m asking some questions to get more people’s viewpoints on this because clearly a bunch of people don’t see it the way I do, which is confusing to me. Does that reaaaally make me a sociopath?
I would say yes, yes it does make you a sociopath by asking such questions in this thread that shows a woman being murdered from the perspective of the murderer.
You clearly lack the empathy and wherewithal to understand the nuance happening here, that anyone with empathy can see.
I suppose, yet again, if I(and textbooks) don’t agree with your definitions of empathy and sociopath, I’m in the wrong by default, but then, I guess you’re arguing “empathy” over logic, so it really shouldn’t be surprising. Thank you for helping me to understand your point of view, even if you don’t want to have a discussion.
Oh, I’m quite logical but read the room. This is not the time or place to pose those questions that you’re asking and you won’t get a logical answer for the most part.
I’m just noticing you attempting to make your point everywhere near the top of the thread and you’re getting confused as to why most people aren’t engaging with your rhetoric. I’m not mad at you, dude.
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True. He definitely fired and he was at close range, but I’ve shot a 9mm at a target from close range too. Normally it doesn’t explode, so I have to take just a second to find the hole. His shot went through a window, cracking it and further obscuring the driver. Is it possible he didn’t know he had absolutely killed her or is that just crazy talk?
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Fair enough.
Is it possible he didn’t know he had absolutely killed her
Irrelevant. He shot at her head multiple times from close range. Everything else you’re bringing up is just typical bootlicker distraction.
Not really. That first shot was almost justifiable because he was hit by the car immediately after the wife screamed “drive, baby, drive!”, but the next 2 shots were definitely indefensible. Can we have a discussion before you call me a bootlicker? If you knew me, you definitely wouldn’t say that. Seems like you’re the bad faith actor here, just sayin.
Can we have a discussion before you call me a bootlicker?
No, because you’re defending a dude shooting someone for no reason.
No, because you’re defending the violence of a group who are going around masked and unmarked killing and abducting people without cause.
Bootlicker.
He fired ONE round through her windshield. He fired TWO rounds through her open driver’s side windows right into her head.
He then watched her slump over the steering wheel and the car accelerate away where it crashed into a post, as he called after it ‘fuckin’ bitch’
The videos are out there, it’s almost like you are being purposefully obtuse I wonder why HMMM
Hey sry man, I’m just not seeing what you’re describing in those videos. It isn’t quite that clear. You might just be right, but I’m just asking some questions. Doesn’t make me a nazi or something, no matter what you seem to think.
You’re here in bad faith, your account is a month old and exclusively has comments defending ice murders.
I believe they call this “JAQing off” (Just Asking Questions)
He drew the gun before walking in front of the car. Why are you lying? What else do you lie about?
Idk I guess my eyes have an AI filter on them. Can’t seem to see his hand doing the physical motion of drawing the gun until after he’s standing in front of the car. Crazy. They also just released another angle showing she definitely tried to block traffic and sat there honking for a while before she was approached, so your arguments aren’t aging very well. No worries tho. I unsubscribed from the news part of Lemmy. You can have it 😁
Yep, I really don’t like it, but it’s not as clear cut as people think it is. Let the courts go through all the evidence and have them assess it.
I agree and that’s probably exactly what’s going to happen. I’m honestly, genuinely just confused how half of the nation sees one thing and the other half sees the exact opposite in the same exact clips. Both halves would be willing to die on that hill(and a civil war would do exactly that). Is it mass manipulation or is half the nation just lying? The whole scenario is just unreal and no one seems to know(or care) exactly why.
Same shit happens every time anything like this happens. During the occupy wall street stuff, a video came out of a cop bumping into a protester with his motorcycle. Obviously an aggressive and unwarranted move, but it was barely a nudge, and the protester collapsed in a heap screaming like a slasher movie bimbo. It was so obviously a dive. But still, anyone on the left had to scream police brutality and speculate on the severity of the protester’s injuries, while anyone who pointed out that it wasn’t that bad was labeled as a bootlicker, and “defending the cops”. Same shit, just the roles are reversed from time to time.
I absolutely agree.
Yep it’s scary. Especially when you look into research on extremist group tactics on social media… they divide and conquer, spread dissent, and manipulate all sorts. It honestly scares me
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The FBI will find no wrongdoing, no there won’t even be a court to go through it.
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😂😂 if you don’t understand, it’s a bot or a Trumper. I’m starting to see how Lemmy works. 👍
One month old account and this is the only topic you’re responding to. High probability that you are an extreme loser.
Ya know, this might get buried, but I’ll say it anyways. I’m almost 40 and I’ve seen a few things, but I’m not so much upset as just confused. How can everyone in this country watch the same video and half of them say it’s definitely one way while the other half say it’s definitely the other way? That’s happened more than once in the past few years, which is why I say it seems contrived. I’m not a republican or a democrat. I think both sides are up to their ears in corruption. Does that make me a loser? Can we have an actual conversation? I’ll refrain from sarcasm and name calling if you will.
Because half of America has been brainwashed by Fox News to believe that liberals should be murdered.
A poorly trained US government agent just executed a mother of 3, whose last words were “that’s fine dude, I’m not mad at you”, while he spat FUCKIN’ BITCH after her corpse. There used to be a time the Republicans would be screaming that this is an abuse of government power, now they all have erections and are frothing at the mouth in their excitement of the execution of a liberal.
Ok, but isn’t that pretty fucking extreme?! I’m not saying you’re wrong at all, but if you’re right, at least half of the government and half of the nation are all brainwashed on some hidden hand agenda. I’m no stranger to conspiracy theories, but are you saying we’re coming to the culmination of all that?
at least half of the government and half of the nation are all brainwashed on some hidden hand agenda
It’s not hidden at all, this is the culmination of almost 70 years of work by the right wing.
For the other side: how is it justified for him to be firing at the car at all?
His feet in the video clearly show that he was hit, even if it wasn’t that hard. He could have avoided it by stepping aside, but that doesn’t change the fact that her tires were turned towards him when she hit the gas, but she quickly turned the other way to avoid him. Was that on purpose? Who knows, but it makes sense to me that he would want to fire at the car if he believes he’s about to be run over, which would be true whether he’s a demon or an angel(the same being true for calling her a bitch immediately after). Of course, that doesn’t mean it’s justified according to the law, just like if someone hits you in the face, many people’s reaction would be to hit back, even though that might not be the right thing to do. Beyond that, we have many years of videos of police interactions with people where they did have to shoot, sometimes when someone tried to run them over, which would be vehicular homicide. That’s the case for justification.
I think both sides are up to their ears in corruption. Does that make me a loser?
Yeah, probably. Centrism is a loser ideology.
Agreed, but what’s the alternative? I can’t get on board with Libertarians either.
I don’t necessarily think you have to get on board with a party. In some ways, I understand the plight. A lot of politics caters to the rich, and if we have a two party system and they both show disdain for you, it feels like that’s it. However, a lot of party politics can be done at a local level, and while that is a generic answer, it is the answer. You can change your local party to cater to you because you make up a bigger proportion, and you can get your neighbors on board too. Show up and question your local politicians and they will be forced to change or they can be replaced.
It’s a boring answer, but it’s unfortunately what you have. Focusing on the big politics isn’t feasible.
Except when you realize that both parties - aside from a few specific Democrats - are totally right of centre.
Like, the Democrats are moderate but solid right-wing neoliberalists, and the Republicans are off-the-deep-end alt-right fascists. So there isn’t a “centrist” position because there is no-one left of centre to balance things out; there is no in-between position that is actually at the centre of the political spectrum.
Even AOC and Bernie would be considered centrists anywhere else in the world. So any use of the word “Centrism” within the bounds of American politics really means “strong right-wing”.
And when almost everyone is right of centre, they really can be grouped together as being equally evil and hostile to the common man.
Now, if you were to look at any first-world country with an actually-functional democracy, you would be correct, because these countries actually have socialist parties that advocate for the masses, and seek to advance the needs of the common citizen. But I digress…
“Big” mistakes. Hmm… One is saying “put on your big boy britches and get some lunch” and the other was “shooting an unarmed 37 year old mother three times in the face.”
Case closed.
She clearly reversed so that she could pull out around him.
The shitbag Ross reacted like a Gestapo or NKVD thug.
It’s a template. In the future, your list will include ICE Agent.
Not surprising that the evidence contradicts the administration’s claims, because they constantly lie.
This is pointless. Even if she was aggressive and tried to kill this man, she’d be right to. This should not be able whether this Nazi felt in danger, they should feel threatened when they attack communities or random people. This video shows that peace is not an option with them. Consequences for chuds reduces their numbers significantly, they scatter when they realize they could actually get hurt.
Well, I’m not sure him feeling danger is relevant. Who cares? He put himself into the danger he felt.
Yes. That is what I said, except I don’t care if he even felt it. I’m saying they should feel threatened when they obviously do not.
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they should feel threatened when they attack communities or random people
i am sure this part has been taken care of, not really sure it is good news though
That this man felt there would be no consequences for murdering a person in front of a crowd is overwhelming proof that they do not feel threatened. They understood that they could commit violence, not the crowd.
