So we’re just going to take a comedian who is totally under the control of UA Nazis and US financial barons at his word? This is either a blindingly stupid lie, or the US and NATO are preparing for a false flag attack which could well lead to nuclear war. I know they’re getting desperate, but we have to hope that they know where the line is.
This is either a blindingly stupid lie, or the US and NATO are preparing for a false flag attack which could well lead to nuclear war.
That’s a false dichotomy. Russia has been threatening to use nukes all the time. Threatening to blow up a reactor is just more of the same.
That’s simply not true. Russian nuclear policy is exclusively retaliatory. They haven’t been making threats, but simply reminding the warmongers of the west that there are lines which must not be crossed. This has been the Russian and Soviet nuclear policy since they developed nuclear weapons technology. The threats are coming from the west, namely the US which does have a first strike policy. The US continues to threaten Russia by stationing nuclear weapons ever closer to Russia’s borders. It’s almost like nobody knows why the “Cuban” Missile Crisis started.
If anyone in the west would actually listen to Putin and Lavrov instead of putting words in their mouths, we’d all be pretty clear on what second strike nuclear policy means by now, as well as what the Russian objectives are. Instead we’re taking obvious western atrocity propaganda at face value and not even bothering to ask the very basic question of who gains by telling this story.
We can only hope this story is “just” WMDs in Iraq or babies in incubators levels of atrocity propaganda myth making, and not Gulf of Tonkin level false flag preparation. Then again the US side has already executed many of their previously prepared false flag attacks in this war. Hopefully the MacArthurs in the room don’t win this time.
Why would Russia blow up the NPP when they’re winning the war? This is another atrocity by the Ukrainian military to muddy the waters and try to attract yet more international support like the dam bombing.
Why would Russia blow up the NPP when they’re winning the war?
Right, but they are not, they are
barely holdinglosing ground.Imagine being so utterly misinformed to think that Russia is losing the war. Let’s just see what somebody who actually has a clue thinks https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine
Imagine listening to someone who is such an expert he said Russia is not stupid enough to invade Ukraine. Yet just a little while later he’s an expert again
Ah yes, we should instead listen to the experts who claimed that Russian economy was going to collapse in a month, that Russia would run out of weapons, and that Ukraine was going to make a blitzkrieg offensive that was going to go to the sea of Azov in one day. 🤡
I never linked to such people, what are you even talking about
The fact that you’re arguing Mearsheimer doesn’t know what he’s talking about based on him not having thought that Russia would invade Ukraine shows what an utter clown you are given that pretty much nobody in the west predicted that. You don’t have to link to anything, it’s pretty clear from your comments what “experts” you rely on.
Nobody in the West predicted that? He said it when the Russian troops were already massing at the border.
Shit, I already predicted it. I shorted the Russia ETFs which were liquidated last year (I made 90%+ profit)
Meanwhile in the real world
And causing a nuclear disaster would help with this how? PS: When you hold part of your opponents country that means you’re winning.
causing a nuclear disaster would help with this how?
The plant is located near the front lines, along a probable route to the Sea of Azov. Blowing it up creates an obstacle, making advances and supplies more difficult.
When you hold part of your opponents country that means you’re winning.
That’s a stretch. Like Germany was winning WW2 until it was kicked out of France.
True, it’s probably the best Russia can achieve but far from their goals. And they’ve been losing ground steadily now.
They have a child-like mentality. If they can’t have it, then blow it up. Now no one gets it.
Please explain your argument, I do not think it makes any sense but instead dangerously misjudges the Russian government/military.
Assuming they have a child-like mentality:
- Why is there no massive bombardment of Ukrainian cities and infrastructure? Might as well do that for cities out of reach instead of blowing up a NPP.
- Why didn’t Putin order to have all Wagner soldiers killed after what happened a few days ago?
yeah sure.
Hopefully this just ends up being another nothingburger like last time there was talk about a Ukrainian dirty bomb several months ago.
You mean like when Ukraine claimed Russia put explosives on that dam that now is gone?
You mean the same dam that even western media acknowledged that Ukraine was shelling?
No I mean when there was talk about a dirty bomb several months ago. The dam wasn’t a nothingburger, hence why I didn’t reference it??
The reference is not all warnings are nothingburgers
Well, well, well. It looks like it was indeed a nothingburger. That’s a relief.
NAFO trolls are very disappointed.
How is the Russian propaganda attempting to frame that? “Ukrainians are Nazis and so we took over their nuclear power plant because we (though we) could. Now they want to destroy it, incurring an immense ecological impact to mostly themselves, because if they can’t have it, better be dead too”?
How is the Russian propaganda attempting to frame a completely baseless claim without any evidence and that make no sense, is that seriously the question you’re asking here?
The Russians are not making it easy for themselves, aren’t they?
Ah yeah, that totally looks like a reliable site that somebody without any brain damage would use as a source.
I don’t need more evidence that your problem is with reading comprehension. This isn’t a news source per se, this tells what the Russian state media reports about. It doesn’t take much effort to corroborate that:
https://eurasiantimes.com/ukraine-suicide-drone-attacks-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-power/
Speaking about brain damage.
You haven’t collaborated anything, and the fact that you think that’s collaboration further underscores my point. How about we look at what IAEA, who actually have people on the ground, have to say
I think you should take a break, walk outside for a bit, and hop back with a clearer mind. Your are arguing about… I don’t know what about.
Fact: Russian newspapers are announcing that an attack by Ukraine on the ZNPP is imminent. It doesn’t matter whether you trust Ukraine’s account of it, because this is literally in the Russian newspapers: https://www.rt.com/russia/579215-ukrainian-attack-nuclear-plant/
My question is: (what THIS thread is about) from the viewpoint of a Russian propagandist, how can they make this story seem credible, (or, IOW, what would Ukraine’s motive be) considering that this would hurt Ukraine the most.
Next time you can use less of your condescending tone and more of your reading time to post on point.
I think you should take your own advice, also try working on your reading comprehension while you’re at it given that your link says Russia is worried that Ukraine would cause a provocation.
From a view point of a sane person who isn’t guzzling Ukrainian propaganda out of a firehouse, it’s pretty obvious that the Ukrainian offensive is a giant failure. Even western media now admits this. NATO summit is happening in a week, and Ukraine is desperate to get NATO involved directly in the conflict.
It’s also pretty clear that the puppet regime in Ukraine doesn’t care one bit about hurting their own country. If they did, they would’ve taken the peace agreement they were offered back in March.
"If detonated, they would not damage the reactors but would create an image of shelling from the Ukrainian side,” the statement on Telegram said. It said the Ukrainian army stood “ready to act under any circumstances”.
In his nightly video message, Zelenskiy said Russia was planning to “simulate an attack” on the plant. “But in any case, the world sees – and cannot fail to see – that the only source of danger to the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is Russia. And no one else.”
Zelenskiy and the Ukrainian military provided no evidence for their assertions"
"If detonated, they would not damage the reactors but would create an image of shelling from the Ukrainian side,” the statement on Telegram said.
Not gonna lie, that’s pretty smart. Now if Ukraine decides to start shelling the plant, they can just pretend that it’s actually Russia that detonated some charges.
I think that’s a pattern we’ll start seeing more and more.
Zelenskiy and the Ukrainian military provided no evidence for their assertions
I’m starting to see a pattern here…
EDIT: i removed this comment previously because lemmy hiccuped and registered the one about bridge selling twice.
And despite it being empty, it still recieved 23 downvotes.
This is how factual discussion with liberals is.
So, you said something dumb, and it’s everyone else’s fault? 🤣
Zelenskiy and the Ukrainian military provided no evidence for their assertions
Judging from the comments, he could probably finance that entire war just by selling bridges to liberals -_-
Imagine genuinely thinking that Russia blows up their own infrastructure for no reason. The fact that this is a serious topic of discussion in the west shows that any sort of critical thinking has been eradicated at this point.
It’s not their own territory
It’s literally territory they’ve annexed from Ukraine. And anybody who actually paid attention for the past month can see that Ukraine is in no position to take any territory back based on how their offensive is going.
No position to take any territory back? How about the 300km^2 they took back already this summer?
Oh you mean the territory Russia didn’t actually contest because they haven’t mobilized yet. Amazing counterpoint you’ve got there. 🤡
They have mobilized 300,000 troops last year. It’s news to Russia that they didn’t contest it, since they fought for and lost Pyatyhatky, just now fighting for and losing Zherebyanky.
There are intense battles in Orikhiv area, but that could go either way. If Russia loses anything “they are not even trying”?
While you provide a fascinating arm chair analysis of the situation, why don’t we just look at what people who actually have a clue on the subject say
Why should I believe those people? Who made them experts?
Watch the actual developments on the ground, don’t listen to propaganda. Russian telegram channels tell you how the war is going, don’t need a guy to pretend to know the future
Really? They also once had a hydroelectric dam. Just don’t post…
You mean the hydroelectric dam that even US admitted Ukraine was launching missiles against? Just don’t post…
All the hard work you put into spreading nonsense is wasted in Lemmy. There aren’t enough users to make it worthwhile. Then again, you’d be banned quickly somewhere like Reddit, so I guess it’s your only choice.
Watching empire shills trying to interact with people outside corporate walled gardens is pretty hilarious.
Are you watching me now, comrade? Prove it.
You’re not my comrade.
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As far as Russia is concerned, Zaporizhzhia is Russian territory and there is no chance of Ukraine actually recapturing it. Anybody who thinks that Russia would cause a major nuclear disaster on their own territory is beyond reason.
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Ok, so let’s say both sides think it’s their territory, so neither will want to cause a nuclear disaster there. That seems like a good balance for everyone else on this planet, for the time being.
The difference is that Ukraine is now entirely reliant on the west to continue fighting. This creates incentives for Ukraine to continuously seek escalation that could potentially get NATO directly involved in the conflict. Incidentally, US senators already introduced a resolution calling for NATO involvement in case of such an incident
Why is that?
Because that’s obvious to anybody who’s been paying any attention to what’s been going on for the past two years. This ultimately comes down to manpower and logistics. Ukraine has far less people than Russia, and the west lacks the industrial base to continue supplying Ukraine at the current levels. This is well documented in western media by the way.
This was also understood long before the war started. Here’s what Obama had to say back in 2016:
The reality of the situation is that the west gave Ukraine everything they could for this offensive, and it will not be possible to replace that in the near future. The offensive was supposed to make a decisive breakthrough in the first 24 hours. In fact, this was critical for any sort of success https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/04/18/ukraine-russia-war-counteroffensive-attack-bakhmut-himars/
It’s now been a month, and Ukraine has failed to reach even the first line of Russia defences while suffering horrific losses.
The offensive is going so poorly that even CNN calls it disappointing
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/22/politics/ukraine-counteroffensive-western-assessment/index.html
The most likely outcome here is that Ukraine will burn through their men and equipment, and once the offensive fizzles it’s likely that Russia will go on the offensive of their own against a demoralized and depleted Ukrainian army.
John Mearsheimer has a pretty sober analysis of what can be expected to happen realistically that I highly encourage you to read
https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine
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Ukraine is fighting an existential war because now that Russia has committed itself to military action they’re not going to settle for the status quo. Best case scenario for Ukraine at this point is that there’s going to be a rump state left in western Ukraine where nationalist sentiment is the strongest. Meanwhile, Vietnam is actually a good analogy, but with US deciding to drop support for western Ukraine once they realize the war is not winnable.
Yeah. They value their stuff so much. Particularly their own soldiers.
Sure more than Ukraine who’ve been throwing theirs into minefields. If they didn’t value their soldiers they’d be doing what Ukraine is currently doing. Instead, they spent the time building defences and training their troops.
Posts like this are useful as you can easily find trolls and bots to instantly block.
Russia has been making the same claims against Ukraine since at least november 2022 in front of the UN.
Such an attack would benefit Ukraine since it’s more likely to cause NATO to get involved. Don’t forget that.
NATO benefits the most in not getting directly involved. Don’t forget that.
Which way is the wind blowing?
NAFO trolls downvoting every voice critical of Ukraine, I see you.
And thanks to blocklists we won’t have to see you ever again :)
We need a more trustworthy source. After Zelensky destroyed his own dam I don’t believe a word he says.
These comments… I wasn’t expecting Lemmy to be russian bots just chatting with each other.
