There’s a similar fallacy that’s often applied to USSR under Stalin: when you compare populations in 1930 to 1934, IE appx the length of the devastating famine they experienced, you’ll see that it declined something like 20% over that time. People who generate propaganda about communism will say that something like 30 million people died during it, by subtracting the numbers, and ignoring the fact that birth rates had been steadily dropping for years as the famine grew worse. What actually happened is that 5-8 million died, and 22 million were never born.
My point being that it is inherently pretty misleading to use population data as the majority of your evidence. The most reliable evidence we have, IE our eyes and ears, shows us that Israel is deliberately harming and often killing Palestinians, under the logic of being a superior race. We can quibble about data all you like, the fact is that Israel is most certainly committing genocide.
I understand what you mean here, but what you stated before basically means that somebody assumed that without October 7 attack, Palestinians will die out.
This reminds me how Putin mentioned that one of reasons for his invasion was that Ukraine bombed Lugansk and Donetsk for 8 years, while freely available data shows that during last few years there were only about 20 casualties per year. This can’t justify the aggression, same as the above can’t justify the October 7 attack.
Israel did significantly worse to Gaza prior to 10/7 than gaza has cumulatively done to Israel to date, and it’s not remotely close. An article I found from may 2021 cited 5600 dead palestinians (115,000 injured) and 250 dead Israelis (5600 injured) between 2008 and 2020. And it’s actually a bit misleading to only use numbers back to 2008, because it goes back much farther.
So yes, it is accurate to say that had things continued as they were going, Palestine would have fully died out in the first half of this century.
You’re kidding. 5600 dead in a course of 12 years is not how Palestinians would be able to fully die out. You can’t justify October 7 attack with this kind of data.
Surely though, whatever source you got will count current deaths during the ground operation towards the record. And it won’t be exactly fair. Every spike on graphs have the reason and it’s not the “hey we didn’t kill enough Palestinians yesterday, let’s get back to work” reason. Not sure why do I even need to explain such simple things.
Sure, maybe extinction was too far. But certainly the trajectory prior to 10/7 was not something Palestine could abide. And it’s also certain that by 2050, 100% of the land making up Palestine would be stolen. Claiming that Hamas started the war is 100% false, noatter which way you look at it.
But certainly the trajectory prior to 10/7 was not something Palestine could abide.
It could not survive or it could not tolerate Israel?
And it’s also certain that by 2050, 100% of the land making up Palestine would be stolen.
Stealing the whole Palestine land sounds improbable to the same extent “kill all Jews” does.
Claiming that Hamas started the war is 100% false, noatter which way you look at it.
I did not claim that. I don’t think what’s happening is a war. But I will claim that the ground operation was caused by hamas’ actions. This could’ve been predicted and avoided. Hamas proved themselves to be ineffective in whatever they were trying to achieve, and in caring about citizens. I’m surprised why people aren’t asking them to surrender themselves and hostages to stop the operation asap, as it would prevent further casualties.
Because nobody in Gaza is naive enough to believe Israel would actually do as they say. Israel has been steadily taking their land for decades, it’s already over half gone. 2050 is an optimistic guess.
Hamas not starting it earlier? Gaza wasn’t capable of it prior to 10/7. 10/7 happened because Israel got complacent and assumed the “animals” they were caging weren’t intelligent at all. Israel assumed they had all given up.
There’s a similar fallacy that’s often applied to USSR under Stalin: when you compare populations in 1930 to 1934, IE appx the length of the devastating famine they experienced, you’ll see that it declined something like 20% over that time. People who generate propaganda about communism will say that something like 30 million people died during it, by subtracting the numbers, and ignoring the fact that birth rates had been steadily dropping for years as the famine grew worse. What actually happened is that 5-8 million died, and 22 million were never born.
My point being that it is inherently pretty misleading to use population data as the majority of your evidence. The most reliable evidence we have, IE our eyes and ears, shows us that Israel is deliberately harming and often killing Palestinians, under the logic of being a superior race. We can quibble about data all you like, the fact is that Israel is most certainly committing genocide.
I understand what you mean here, but what you stated before basically means that somebody assumed that without October 7 attack, Palestinians will die out.
This reminds me how Putin mentioned that one of reasons for his invasion was that Ukraine bombed Lugansk and Donetsk for 8 years, while freely available data shows that during last few years there were only about 20 casualties per year. This can’t justify the aggression, same as the above can’t justify the October 7 attack.
Israel did significantly worse to Gaza prior to 10/7 than gaza has cumulatively done to Israel to date, and it’s not remotely close. An article I found from may 2021 cited 5600 dead palestinians (115,000 injured) and 250 dead Israelis (5600 injured) between 2008 and 2020. And it’s actually a bit misleading to only use numbers back to 2008, because it goes back much farther.
So yes, it is accurate to say that had things continued as they were going, Palestine would have fully died out in the first half of this century.
You’re kidding. 5600 dead in a course of 12 years is not how Palestinians would be able to fully die out. You can’t justify October 7 attack with this kind of data.
Surely though, whatever source you got will count current deaths during the ground operation towards the record. And it won’t be exactly fair. Every spike on graphs have the reason and it’s not the “hey we didn’t kill enough Palestinians yesterday, let’s get back to work” reason. Not sure why do I even need to explain such simple things.
Sure, maybe extinction was too far. But certainly the trajectory prior to 10/7 was not something Palestine could abide. And it’s also certain that by 2050, 100% of the land making up Palestine would be stolen. Claiming that Hamas started the war is 100% false, noatter which way you look at it.
It could not survive or it could not tolerate Israel?
Stealing the whole Palestine land sounds improbable to the same extent “kill all Jews” does.
I did not claim that. I don’t think what’s happening is a war. But I will claim that the ground operation was caused by hamas’ actions. This could’ve been predicted and avoided. Hamas proved themselves to be ineffective in whatever they were trying to achieve, and in caring about citizens. I’m surprised why people aren’t asking them to surrender themselves and hostages to stop the operation asap, as it would prevent further casualties.
Because nobody in Gaza is naive enough to believe Israel would actually do as they say. Israel has been steadily taking their land for decades, it’s already over half gone. 2050 is an optimistic guess.
If you insist Israel being inconsistent to that extent I wonder how would you justify them not starting the ground operation earlier.
Hamas not starting it earlier? Gaza wasn’t capable of it prior to 10/7. 10/7 happened because Israel got complacent and assumed the “animals” they were caging weren’t intelligent at all. Israel assumed they had all given up.