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“the message of the meme is good” wha
It’s that anti-capitalism gets classified as a mental sickness to simply disregard all their points without actually engaging with their arguments and how that’s stupid. The “doc” is portrayed in a negative light
anti-capitalism gets classified as a mental sickness
It doesn’t. People are making shit up. From Wikipedia:
The fourth revision of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-IV-TR) (now replaced by DSM-5) states that a person must exhibit four out of the eight signs and symptoms to meet the diagnostic threshold for ODD. These symptoms include:
- Often loses temper
- Is often touchy or easily annoyed
- Is often angry and resentful
- Often argues with authority figures or, for children and adolescents, with adults
- Often actively defies or refuses to comply with requests from authority figures or with rules
- Often deliberately annoys others
- Often blames others for their mistakes or misbehavior
- Has been spiteful or vindictive at least twice within the past six months
These behaviors are mostly directed towards an authority figure such as a teacher or a parent. Although these behaviors can be typical among siblings, they must be observed with individuals other than siblings for an ODD diagnosis. Children with ODD can be verbally aggressive. However, they do not display physical aggressiveness, a behavior observed in conduct disorder. Furthermore, they must be perpetuated for longer than six months and must be considered beyond a normal child’s age, gender and culture to fit the diagnosis. For children under five years of age, they must occur on most days over a period of six months. For children over five years of age, they must occur at least once a week for at least six months. If symptoms are confined to only one setting, most commonly home, it is considered mild in severity. If it is observed in two settings, it is characterized as moderate, and if the symptoms are observed in three or more settings, it is considered severe.
Is this how you express your anti-capitalist and anti-authoritarian stances?
so if you’re regularly annoyed (1/4), angry (2/4) and spiteful (3/4) about being forced to participate in this exploitative system designed to bleed you dry until you die, you’re ok still… but if you try to do anything about it (by arguing with or defying “authorities” in any way) you’re an insane person that needs to be locked up and given drugs? cool. that’s really convenient.
You’re deliberately oversimplifying, decontextualising and exaggerating the symptoms, and it is unlikely your spitefulness and anger extend beyond an occasional comment that you write online. It seems as if you really really want to be perceived as nonconformist and against the system, which is colloquially known as “being an edgelord”, and that doesn’t count as a disorder.
insane person that needs to be locked up and given drugs
Again, making shit up. Show me where the article mentions locking up the person.
No, you’re just making excuses for doctors to gaslight people into thinking everything is fine and the problem is with them. How about you do better and not be such a blatant bootlicker? This kind of shit reminds me of business insider articles trying to convince poor people that poverty and climate apocalypse aren’t causing a wave of mental illness, or that the solution to it is just more drugs
making excuses for doctors to gaslight people into thinking everything is fine and the problem is with them
I’m not making excuses, because I don’t intend to excuse behaviour that at the very least isn’t typical, and more likely is just made up. As it is, you’ve provided no reasonable proof the situation in OP picture is typical or even real in any situation whatsoever (a cursory check of what the diagnosis is about suggests the situation isn’t realistic), and you deliberately misinterpreted the diagnosis and exaggerated your “symptoms”.
What I’m criticising here is a misinterpretation of a particular psychological diagnosis. Nowhere did I say “everything is fine”, nowhere did I say psychological issues in general are merely individual issues. That’s a whole other story. If I claimed Donald Trump rapes dead babies, and someone came and said that’s ridiculous and there’s no proof, is that person a Trump bootlicker? Fuck no. So why is criticism of this (as far as I can see for now) made-up idea that ODD diagnosis is abused this way “bootlicking”?
I could count under at least 4 of these and I consider myself an anti-authoritarian but otherwise normal, well-rounded person.
I do get easily annoyed by some people. I get angry and resentful when I think about the current state of politics. And I do get spiteful when authority figures ask me to do something ridiculous (malicious compliance, basically), which I guess is a 2-for-1 there.
if you are behaving this way on at least 75 days out of 150 in a way that impacts and impedes your ability to function, having a romantic or friendship-based relationship and work a job - yes, you might have a mental illness.
“A mental illness” or ODD? Shifting goalposts much?
ODD is a mental illness if we’re accepting that the DSM is a diagnostic tool.
I do get easily annoyed by some people
Right, by some people. Now, if this were a real situation in a clinic and not a persecution fantasy, chances are the therapist would inquire how and why those people cause annoyance exactly. Basically: is your reaction reasonable (annoyed by someone causing you actual harm, non-trivial discomfort, etc.) or unreasonable (annoyed by trivial things such as someone’s clothes, skin colour if you’re a racist, etc.)?
I get angry and resentful when I think about the current state of politics.
Do you take out that anger and resentment upon other people, in ways which are harmful to them? Is your daily life hampered by those emotions? If not, it probably doesn’t count as a symptom.
And I do get spiteful when authority figures ask me to do something ridiculous (malicious compliance, basically)
It is not abnormal to react negatively to ridiculous tasks.
I don’t believe that psychologists would count these things as actual symptoms. Probably you’re fine and healthy.
a person must exhibit four out of the eight signs and symptoms to meet the diagnostic threshold for ODD.
- Is often touchy or easily annoyed
- Is often angry and resentful
- Often argues with authority figures or, for children and adolescents, with adults
- Often actively defies or refuses to comply with requests from authority figures or with rules
If I were imprisoned against my will I would certainly be exhibiting these 4 “symptoms.” Does that mean I have oppositional defiant disorder?
The problem with this is that it can too easily classify behavior that is appropriate to the situation as a disorder. The distinction that a professional might make is that these symptoms are only considered signs of a disorder if they are not appropriate to the situation, and that is a value judgement that cannot be objectively determined. This makes the diagnosis heavily subject to the values and beliefs of the person making it. In my opinion, we shouldn’t he classifying these types of situational behaviors as a disorder because the cause is almost always external/environmental, which a psychiatrist is often ill-equipped to address.
Are you unaware of the leap of logic you’re making here or is this an attempt at trolling? If it’s the latter, 6/10. If it’s the former. I’m sorry.
Some mental disorders are frequently used to pathologize people who are outside the typically accepted norms of society, the same way being gay or trans used to be different disorders decades or years ago.
I think they mean to agree with the pink hoodie person.
right? this is the same type of brain-dead anti-intellectualist strawmanning that you see going around “mom groups” and antivaxx circles, just slightly tweaked. people are reading in their own nuanced criticisms (and those definitely need to be heard) but the meme itself is just “doctor bad”.
I posted this in another thread for this meme:
Fun meme and all, but I somehow doubt the author has much experience working with children. Some kids are genuinely little terrors, in that everybody around them tends to have a bad time in their presence (adults, peers, and usually, the kid themselves). “We live in a society” and all that, so not being able to function within that society (especially as a minor since they don’t even have the option of living off-grid in the woods as a hermit) is, sorry to say, a problem.
This is also a gross misrepresentation of ODD as defined by the DSM; here’s a snippet of the diagnostic requirements (emphasis mine):
A pattern of angry/irritable mood, argumentative/defiant behavior, or vindictiveness lasting at least 6 months as evidenced by at least four symptoms of the following categories, and exhibited during interaction with at least one individual who is not a sibling:
Angry/Irritable Mood
- Often loses temper
- Is often touchy or easily annoyed
- Is often angry and resentful
Argumentative/Defiant Behavior
- Often argues with authority figures or, for children and adolescents, with adults
- Often actively defies or refuses to comply with requests from authority figures or with rules
- Often deliberately annoys others
- Often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior
Vindictiveness
- Has been spiteful or vindictive at least twice within the past 6 months
There’s also additional qualifiers such as for frequency (they’re not pathologizing having a bad day or two).
So no, your “eat the rich” and “ACAB” laptop stickers are not going to get you slapped with an ODD diagnosis.
As the parent of an ODD child thank you. I don’t have the energy left in me to try to explain to my “society”, let alone strangers on the internet, that my child is compulsively defiant due to an inflated fight/flight/freeze response. And no, your parenting opinions aren’t going to “solve” her behavior, if her psychiatrist, psychologist, and therapist don’t have magic answers.
To be fair, doesn’t your argument presuppose that all psychs are religiously following every recommended guideline to the letter? That seems like a stretch.
You’re going to need to be more specific what you mean by “your argument”
The argument from you. The argument constructed specifically by you. Your argument.
so if you’re regularly annoyed (1/4), angry (2/4) and spiteful (3/4) about being forced to participate in this exploitative system designed to bleed you dry until you die, you’re ok still… but if you try to do anything about it (by arguing with or defying “authorities” in any way) you’re an insane person that needs to be locked up and given drugs? cool. that’s really convenient.
You’re taking the meme way too seriously. For one, drugs aren’t a standard treatment for ODD. From the Mayo Clinic:
Treatment for oppositional defiant disorder primarily involves family-based interventions. But treatment may include other types of talk therapy and training for your child — as well as for parents. […] Medicines alone generally aren’t used for ODD unless your child also has another mental health condition.
I take umbrage with this.
Cropped clothes are a sensory nightmare, specially hoodies. Why would I want to warm my arms and head but be cold everywhere else?
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If you look like him please DM me immediately
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“mental illness isn’t real, your just like that because society is le bad” how about you suck on my fucking cock and balls
