Now would be a great time for him to make good on his threat and pull all US diplomatic support. I think we’re still obligated to provide some military equipment because of Congressional acts, but he needs to veto any additional bills for Israel.
Leahy law forbids sending weapons when human rights violations are committed with them.
Biden is already required by law to block arms exports to israel. Stopping it is legally super duper easy
No disagreements, he should try to invoke the law. It’ll end up being a long legal entanglement with Republicans, but he should still do it.
He won’t bc he likes giving Israel weapons.
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Seems like old man Netanyahu should be the focus of your ire…
We also need to hold our politicians accountable for not acting up against Netanyahu.
Then why is no one calling out the congress responsible for it? Biden didn’t pass or fund this. He isn’t pushing back against it hard enough. But he’s not the one that passed it. Or threatened to campaign against him when he just delayed delivery. I don’t see anyone calling out mike Johnson.
Yes, I said “our politicians” so everyone responsible should be held accountable
I agree. Basically no one is doing that. But I agree.
The white house runs the state department and the white house press briefings and directs the UN delegation
Congress isn’t blameless but Biden holds a disproportionate amount of responsibility.
Apparently, he signed the bills. The old man is not that innocent.
Never implied he wasn’t. Only implied that the obsessive focus on him is suspicious and short-sighted if someone actually wanted it to improve things in gaza. He is a small part of the equation and the problem. Mike Johnson has already said that he will do everything it takes to continue the genocide in Gaza. That he and his House of Representatives is aiding in supplying directly.
Never implied he wasn’t. Only implied that the obsessive focus on him is suspicious and short-sighted if someone actually wanted it to improve things in gaza.
Congress did not force him to circumvent congress to sell Netanyahu weapons for genocide. Biden did that all by his lonesome, without his hands being tied in any way whatsoever. Biden’s administration does not have to abuse our veto at the UN to run interference for Netanyahu. And Joe Biden did not have to deny that a genocide is even happening in Gaza.
Congress didn’t force him to do any of that.
I never said he didn’t. I just said you all seem more focused at being mad at him than actually stopping it.
Biden said Iran is equally responsible as Russia for Ukrainian deaths because they supply the weapons. But now that logic doesn’t apply to Biden bypassing Congress and knowingly supplying weapons knowing they are being targeted on civilians?
I wonder what bombs Netanyahu used
He is coming to speak to our Congress because he’s our special boy. Invited.
Biden is still enabling it lmao
Could he stop sending them weapons if he wanted? Obviously he’s fine with it, but if he weren’t, can the President alone actually stop something like that?
Congress can bypass him if the purchase price is over $100m
Even President Sanders wouldn’t have been able to stop the US government from being complicit, then. But at least he wouldn’t have supported it.
Biden tried to delay the last shipment as long as he could.
the bill to force his hand hasn’t gone any further than the House of Representatives. Schumer says he’s not gonna let it come to the senate floor for a vote. Who is forcing Biden to sell Netanyahu weapons?
They don’t have to pass a bill to do that. Biden can’t block sales over a certain amount, which is why he could only delay the most recent one.
He proactively circumvented congress to sell them weapons when he didn’t have to.
Without American support there would be no Israel. They are a vassal state.
A vassal state that has the US by the balls, apparently, since they do whatever the fuck they want.
You are incredibly naive if you think “my red line is Rafah” is anything more than performance. There is no one being held by the balls; the American government is literally funding the genocide.
How is the performance supposed to benefit him? As soon as the “red line” is crossed and nothing happens, it makes him seem weak. Usually when being performative, you say something that has a plausible excuse when it doesn’t happen - or something that can’t be acted on until you’re elected. This was very poorly conceived, then.
The goal might be to seem weak. His campaign strategists are probably telling him that being weak will net him more democratic voters than not laying down a fake red line and seeming evil.
Without American support there would be no Israel.
Jesus Christ.
If Biden is so innoscent, don’t sign the supporting bills then, that’s a lot of money.
But how will that elect trump tho?
Being an American is fucking embarrassing. How is it? We got all this military power and we’re going to let our own puppet state push us around. Like if we’re going to be baddies, at least be THE baddies
Can we bring the Palestinians here in exchange for all our politicians? Shit I’ll throw in casual trumpers and blue maga folk as well.
Israel wholly owns the US. It would be humiliating to the Biden administration if they weren’t in on the deal. Upholding the military industrial complex is priority number one for every president in history. Literally nothing is more important.
I can’t believe Netanyahu would disobey his God-King Joe Biden!
America is an imperial power, why isn’t their middle eastern colony listening??
Bibi has clearly demonstrated he doesn’t give 2 shits what Biden thinks. We have 3 branches with equal power and one of them keeps inviting Netanyahu to give speeches. Why should he listen to Biden when Congress approves military spending regardless?
America is an imperial power, why isn’t their middle eastern colony listening??
this but unironically
this but unironically
Christ.
I can’t believe Biden has such a massive humiliation fetish, to be so publicly disrespected, and to such a degree, only to turn around and circumvent Congress to send daddy Bibi 10s of Billions more in US taxpayer dollars just to do it again. Wild!
You have that backwards. Congress is the one who is responsible for the weapons sales.
Also, we’re not giving Israel weapons. They purchase them from us.
Biden has bypassed congress multiple times to sell Israel weapons. Also, he’s given them $1 billion worth of weapons like a week ago, so it’s not all sells.
The hardest core of the Republican party wants to install a unitary executive monarch god emperor whatever they’re calling him nowadays and if you campaign for his opponent you get hit with cries of genocide Joe. Israel is a British colonial project and thanks to Israel they have almost completely regained control of the United States too.
It’s almost like they don’t care what anyone says… they are going to do it anyway
I mean, who’s gonna stop them? America? Lol
Biden needs to denounce these fucked actions
He will give them such a talking to when delivering the next bomb shipment.
Firm finger wagging and leaked talk of him saying mean things in private
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He said assaulting rafah was a red line. It’s time to occupy Tel Aviv and fuck what Israel has to say about it.
Obama had a “red line” as well for chemical weapons in Syria. From what I recall, he didn’t really do anything once the line was crossed.
Though this is a recent pattern that is emerging.
Israel is pretending Biden meant a squiggly line and Biden is too much of a coward to follow through on his rhetoric.
Why would Joe Biden order the IDF to do this
Why would he continue sending them bombs
Because it’s US policy.
US law is not to give weapons to countries that are using them to violate human rights.
I don’t think you have any clue what the laws are.
Ah, but I do:
(a)In general
No assistance shall be furnished under this chapter or the Arms Export Control Act [22 U.S.C. 2751 et seq.] to any unit of the security forces of a foreign country if the Secretary of State has credible information that such unit has committed a gross violation of human rights.
And now you do, too.
You’re quoting a law that doesn’t apply here because US laws exist to be selectively enforced in the interests of the US. It sucks, but it’s been this way since at least WWII. Unless the Secretary of State decides to break decades of bipartisan support for Israel, this law is meaningless.
I dont think you have any clue what the laws are -> well achshually laws don’t mean anything. Fucking incredible
Then you will be able to quote whichever law is tying Biden’s hands here.
Policy is not necessarily backed by law. The US supports Israel because they’re a friendly power in the Middle East. It’s in the interests of the US to have friends in oil-rich regions. Israel is a check against aggressive Muslim nations (e.g. Iran).
Given that Christianity is playing far too big a role in politics, it makes sense that Christians would more closely align with Jews than Muslims.
So Biden’s hands aren’t tied, and you’re just pretending they are.
You don’t understand anything about politics or geopolitical. Glad we’ve cleared that up.
“You don’t know how anything works!”
Centrist for “You didn’t immediately accept my shitty excuses.”
What did he mean by “red line” do you suppose?
“We will never forget the images emerging from Rafah tonight. Human beings, including babies, were burned alive and torn apart. This genocide must end, it must end now,” said one group.
Yea, but you failed to answer the question.
At which point did Joe call up the pilots and pass grid coords to drop the bombs?But blame where it belongs.
Biden didn’t order this, but he had to know that giving money to Israel would cause this. If he didn’t, he’s a complete fool. We hope this will provoke Biden to declare war on Israel and order destruction of military targets belonging to the IDF, but it probably won’t, and if it doesn’t, well that’s hypocrisy.
If only diplomacy was that straightforward…
Israel doesn’t need the money in order to keep doing what they’re doing. USA needs a middle eastern ally more than Israel needs the USA.
Ukraine, however, would collapse if it weren’t for the money USA is providing (allowing with many other countries).
This bill that was signed to send money to Israel also provided money to Ukraine. You would not get one without the other.
USA needs a middle eastern ally more than Israel needs the USA.
Not at all. Israel has been a liability for US policies not a bonus. Israeli actions undermined US efforts in Iraq and undermined US-Iranian diplomacy. The US defending Israel has generated ill will worldwide, undermined US rhetoric and soft power, and made the US the source of terrorist attacks. What have we gotten from it? Does Israel help in Iraq or Afghanistan wars? Does it vote the way we want at the UN? No and no.
Something between ‘supplying the bombs used for genocide’ and ‘declaring war on Israel’ would be just right
edit: a surprising amount of disagreement with this comment
Mental gymnastics to try to justify genocide? New lows of lemmy
Yea, but you failed to answer the question. At which point did Joe call up the pilots and pass grid coords to drop the bombs?
But blame where it belongs.
Mental gymnastics to try to justify genocide? New lows of lemmy
Bizarre.
After years of not being successful with the hunter biden story trumpists are probably celebrating with how easy it is to turn people away from biden by just throwing shit about the Israel war at him to make it look as if he’s somehow responsible for it…
From the party that brought you “Moving the American Embassy Israel” and “assassinating a high ranking Iranian official” comes “Blame Joe Biden for everything”
From the party that brought you “we wish we could do something but the republicans won’t let us” comes “the republicans are worse, so what we’re doing is the best you’re going to get.”
Maybe we need another four years of Trump. Either way, fuck em, I’m not voting.
Bingo! That’s precisely it.
As long as Joe is the bad guy to them congress and the media can use that as cover to do whatever they want
This may blow your mind but not all of us who soured on Biden are Republican plants.
No of course not - some are just falling for the Republican plants
Blue MAGA can’t comprehend that. It’s binary for them. Red team vs Blue team.
The fact you think anyone in this thread is justifying a genocide paints a clear picture that you aren’t here to discuss in good faith.
This a sockpuppet account for .ml or hexbear?
“who committed this crime?”
“You’ll never get me, with your mEnTaL gYmNaStIcS!!!1”
“Said one group.” That language is suspiciously vague. Do you know what group said that quote?
The statement on top was from a while ago, the White House officials said they were examining the issue yesterday and AFAIK haven’t given an update.
I hope he does the right thing, I don’t particularly have that much faith in him to do the right thing.
Dice has been cast, the White House just can’t stop genocide
They can stop supporting it, but refuse to.
Except they will keep saying it’s an “accident” so it won’t cross Biden’s “red line” which is what? Not sending weapons but still sending money? He already did that
Its been political posturing from the start. All of it.
Cut him off… at the ankles
Biden can’t do anything about this, but make sure to vote for him so trump doesn’t get into office and put a plan to exercise executive power into action.
I’m voting party for socialism and liberation this November and you can too.
I’m voting party for socialism and liberation this November
Ummm… what?
The party for socialism and liberation. They have a platform that includes Palestinian statehood and stopping military aid to israel.
…are you talking about the Democrats?
Ah okay I was confused for a sec because I couldn’t pick up the sarcasm of the original comment because too many people have been unironically sharing that sentiment, lol.
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