You’re just like the ones i hear saying RATM went soft. Stop being a dumbass, it’s infectious for some and the rest of us are embarrassed for you.
This comment isn’t just to get you angry, though it is that too. The second part, here is to tell you that ad hominem is a widely used propaganda method to shut down thought on important topics.
Does where snowden decides to post his message reduce, at all, the content of that message?
Easy! No. Not at all.
So don’t carry water for the ones who silence dissent. It makes you useful to them, and useless to the rest of the world
Tom and folks like him are way more concerned with the trappings of being famous than they are with actual workers gaining actual rights as evidenced by shitting on a local business because the business was already at capacity and didn’t make room for his “fame.”
He didn’t even do any research on the business before labelling them anti-worker when what they really were were anti-special-treatment-for-famous-people.
You would think Tom Morello of RATM would be on board.
According to that article, he and the owner of the business patched things up and reached a positive resolution. Continuing to be mad about it 10 years later, particularly when no one involved actually cares, is the most terminally online behaviour. Switch off the phone, go outside and breathe some fresh air.
There’s lots of em, some are in the replies you got before mine. The point isn’t whether you believe them, the point of them is to make you not want to listen to RATM. Hell after 9/11 there was a memo put out asking radio stations not to play certain 'anti establishment songs, but only one band was called out specifically for total blackout. Wanna guess which it was?
Their message is powerful, and getting more obviously true every day. I dont give a single fuck about whether they for paid for being a successful band, and neither should anyone with a modicum of understanding in the message they speak.
Regardless, thinking they’re hypocrites isn’t what matters, people are free to think that. The only thing that matters is whether thinking that way stops one from listening to their words, which are true no matter what you think of them. If one decides not to listen don’t because someone said they’re now RWTM, somebody in psyops is happy for their ignorance
In U.S., A's for apathyNot bullshit democracy
Red white and blue is all you see
But does it mean you're really free?In U.S., A's for anarchyNot bullshit democracy
I want total liberty
I want peace and anarchy
They tell us how to act and be
Fuck that mental slavery
With standards and authority
How can you think you're really free?
Be proud that you're a white Amerikkkan
Blonde hair, blue eyes - a fine new aryan
Supremacy's the white man's burden
A final solution for the new aryans
Death to the nazis and the ku klux klan!
Anarchy in the fatherland!
Anarchy for the new aryans
No master race is gonna rule this land!
Neworder?
No order!
Neworder?
No order!
Disorder!
Disorder now!
Now
I’ve never heard soft but I’ve heard hypocritical. Tom morello comes from a wealthy background and went to Harvard, the band censored themselves on tv when asked to do so, they live in gated communities and run elbows with the people who run the machine they are raging against, and they came out and supported Hillary Clinton (who is the definition of the machine). Myself and others aren’t saying they should’ve supported trump (who is also apart of the machine), but they should have called for more grassroots political candidates and supported them.
See guys? Comments like this one. Note how the premise of my comment was ignored and they engaged in ad hominem, while saying (without saying) that you should ignore them completely. This is the kinda fud to look out for
Sorry I’m just replying to the bait you put in the first sentence of your comment.
Have fun hanging out with 90s finance bros in the pit while they complain about ratm being too political while sipping their 20 dollar beers
My point is their message definitely has less.meaning when its wrapped in Pepsi and hand sanitizer ads the only people who can afford to pay for it are apathetic die hard fans who are conditioned to ignore the hypocracy and rich assholes who want a night out to say they saw this band before they died.
I was invited to this by one of those die hard fans who bought an extra ticket. The entire experience was absolutely disgusting.
Don’t apologize, you did a great job. Now id like you to read the entire chain along with snowden’s words so you can catch up on the whole point of this thread. Do this and you’ll be less “object lesson” and more “lesson learned”.
I’ll edit my comment too. See how this commenter is doubling down? They offer nothing, (even couched within their ad hominem), of substance. I mean to say that they disparage the “message” as having "less meaning"without really explaining why.
Indeed, the commenter invites the reader (by agreeing with them) to engage in ‘virtue signaling’ (by again saying without saying), conflating their distaste for corporate sponsorship and expensive tickets (something we all share) with a reason to not listen to RATM at all.
It’s another great example of bad reasoning one might fall prey to if one doesn’t engage in critical thinking.
No, I’m replying to your reference to an irrelevant band who sold their image warner bros and perpetuates all of this through continuing to tour under these conditions.
Ok, youre one of them who can’t stop replying when their feeling are hurt. Shoot your last shot in, and go smoke a cig or something, cuz it’s the last reply for you today. Ill check in with you later, maybe in a week.
The important thing for you to consider is if i did, would what i just said be less true? I invite you to consider this, and not in an Internet fight way where we flex our shit talking muscles at each other, but in a “hey, maybe there is a point worthy of debate” kinda way.
Like id be interested in considering the point that "the messenger does matter. I’m sure there are cases, but they’d be extreme cases to my mind.
C’mon, we are in a privacy sub. Maybe you should take your frustration with me to pms and ill help you out, privately. The need to fluff your feathers for the others in the room is distracting you.
You’re just like the ones i hear saying RATM went soft. Stop being a dumbass, it’s infectious for some and the rest of us are embarrassed for you.
This comment isn’t just to get you angry, though it is that too. The second part, here is to tell you that ad hominem is a widely used propaganda method to shut down thought on important topics.
Does where snowden decides to post his message reduce, at all, the content of that message?
Easy! No. Not at all.
So don’t carry water for the ones who silence dissent. It makes you useful to them, and useless to the rest of the world
People say RATM went soft? I know this isn’t the point of your reply but why do people say that?
Probably the people who paid attention to jackholes like Tom Morello walk around shitting on local businesses because “don’t you know who I am.”
https://concreteplayground.com/auckland/arts-entertainment/culture/rage-against-the-machine-guitarist-pulls-a-dont-you-know-who-i-am-on-cafe
Tom and folks like him are way more concerned with the trappings of being famous than they are with actual workers gaining actual rights as evidenced by shitting on a local business because the business was already at capacity and didn’t make room for his “fame.”
He didn’t even do any research on the business before labelling them anti-worker when what they really were were anti-special-treatment-for-famous-people.
You would think Tom Morello of RATM would be on board.
So yeah, soft.
According to that article, he and the owner of the business patched things up and reached a positive resolution. Continuing to be mad about it 10 years later, particularly when no one involved actually cares, is the most terminally online behaviour. Switch off the phone, go outside and breathe some fresh air.
There’s lots of em, some are in the replies you got before mine. The point isn’t whether you believe them, the point of them is to make you not want to listen to RATM. Hell after 9/11 there was a memo put out asking radio stations not to play certain 'anti establishment songs, but only one band was called out specifically for total blackout. Wanna guess which it was?
Their message is powerful, and getting more obviously true every day. I dont give a single fuck about whether they for paid for being a successful band, and neither should anyone with a modicum of understanding in the message they speak.
Regardless, thinking they’re hypocrites isn’t what matters, people are free to think that. The only thing that matters is whether thinking that way stops one from listening to their words, which are true no matter what you think of them. If one decides not to listen don’t because someone said they’re now RWTM, somebody in psyops is happy for their ignorance
Reagan Youth?
In U.S., A's for apathy Not bullshit democracy Red white and blue is all you see But does it mean you're really free? In U.S., A's for anarchy Not bullshit democracy I want total liberty I want peace and anarchy They tell us how to act and be Fuck that mental slavery With standards and authority How can you think you're really free?Be proud that you're a white Amerikkkan Blonde hair, blue eyes - a fine new aryan Supremacy's the white man's burden A final solution for the new aryans Death to the nazis and the ku klux klan! Anarchy in the fatherland! Anarchy for the new aryans No master race is gonna rule this land! New order? No order! New order? No order! Disorder! Disorder now! NowI’ve never heard soft but I’ve heard hypocritical. Tom morello comes from a wealthy background and went to Harvard, the band censored themselves on tv when asked to do so, they live in gated communities and run elbows with the people who run the machine they are raging against, and they came out and supported Hillary Clinton (who is the definition of the machine). Myself and others aren’t saying they should’ve supported trump (who is also apart of the machine), but they should have called for more grassroots political candidates and supported them.
With all due respect, what reality do you exist in?
Lol ratm plays 10000 people concerts that cost $150+ to buy tickets for while the fans are bombarded with corporate advertisements for the entire time
Fuck them
See guys? Comments like this one. Note how the premise of my comment was ignored and they engaged in ad hominem, while saying (without saying) that you should ignore them completely. This is the kinda fud to look out for
Sorry I’m just replying to the bait you put in the first sentence of your comment.
Have fun hanging out with 90s finance bros in the pit while they complain about ratm being too political while sipping their 20 dollar beers
My point is their message definitely has less.meaning when its wrapped in Pepsi and hand sanitizer ads the only people who can afford to pay for it are apathetic die hard fans who are conditioned to ignore the hypocracy and rich assholes who want a night out to say they saw this band before they died.
I was invited to this by one of those die hard fans who bought an extra ticket. The entire experience was absolutely disgusting.
Don’t apologize, you did a great job. Now id like you to read the entire chain along with snowden’s words so you can catch up on the whole point of this thread. Do this and you’ll be less “object lesson” and more “lesson learned”.
I’ll edit my comment too. See how this commenter is doubling down? They offer nothing, (even couched within their ad hominem), of substance. I mean to say that they disparage the “message” as having "less meaning"without really explaining why.
Indeed, the commenter invites the reader (by agreeing with them) to engage in ‘virtue signaling’ (by again saying without saying), conflating their distaste for corporate sponsorship and expensive tickets (something we all share) with a reason to not listen to RATM at all.
It’s another great example of bad reasoning one might fall prey to if one doesn’t engage in critical thinking.
No, I’m replying to your reference to an irrelevant band who sold their image warner bros and perpetuates all of this through continuing to tour under these conditions.
Ok, youre one of them who can’t stop replying when their feeling are hurt. Shoot your last shot in, and go smoke a cig or something, cuz it’s the last reply for you today. Ill check in with you later, maybe in a week.
It doesn’t help that their best song is a cover
Well said! +1
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The important thing for you to consider is if i did, would what i just said be less true? I invite you to consider this, and not in an Internet fight way where we flex our shit talking muscles at each other, but in a “hey, maybe there is a point worthy of debate” kinda way.
Like id be interested in considering the point that "the messenger does matter. I’m sure there are cases, but they’d be extreme cases to my mind.
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C’mon, we are in a privacy sub. Maybe you should take your frustration with me to pms and ill help you out, privately. The need to fluff your feathers for the others in the room is distracting you.
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