• gruvn@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    107
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    4 months ago

    I just like how Americans always seem to think they have the freedom to move to any country they want.

    • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      37
      ·
      4 months ago

      “If X gets elected I’m moving to Canada”

      Both sides say the same thing, Republicans say it not realizing that Canada is in general much more progressive than the Democrats…

      • Transporter Room 3@startrek.website
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        33
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        4 months ago

        Man, I’d LOVE to move to Canada. It’s a massive step to the left for me.

        They wouldn’t take me though. I’m not good enough for most countries, apparently.

        • Aceticon@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          4 months ago

          In the West there are generally two big queues for immigration:

          • People who desperately need help, so refugees.
          • People who bring things we really need, typically skills (though many countries will also to it for mere wealth)

          Americans don’t (yet) qualify for the first queue and as for the second one it really depends on your skillset and wealth (if I remember it correctly Canada does have a VISA for people who bring enough money). Mind you, the skillset required to qualify for queue #2 is often not what one would expect - I vaguelly remembers something like “plumbers” and “pastry chefs”. It’s well worth it to check what are in-demand skills of the country you want to immigrate to if you need a VISA.

          • SirDerpy@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            3 months ago

            Stable remote work with an income floor is about all Portugal is currently asking. It’s seemingly the most open path into the EU.

            Seriously considered it. But, when things get worse globally I wanted to be closer to my family.

        • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          edit-2
          4 months ago

          I mean, why should a rich country accept people from other rich country if they don’t bring any necessary qualifications to the table? You’re not a refugee, the fact that the situation is shit in the USA is on the people that live there, it’s not our responsibility to save you guys.

          • SirDerpy@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            3 months ago

            From each according to their ability. To each according to their need.

            You forgot the basics.

            • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              4 months ago

              Why then don’t we just let in anyone and everyone that wants to move from the USA to Canada?

                • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  arrow-down
                  2
                  ·
                  4 months ago

                  You’re the one saying that all extra hands are beneficial to the economy, yet we intentionally refuse people who apply for immigration, why? By your logic we should be welcoming everyone to boost our economy, right?

        • Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          4 months ago

          I’m pretty sure they would, unless you’re over 30.

          Canada has one of the most open immigration policies in the world.

          • Icalasari@fedia.io
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            10
            ·
            4 months ago

            We don’t even have citizenship through marriage

            We have a very open refugee policy, but not immigration

            • voltaa@lemmy.ca
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              9
              ·
              4 months ago

              So many people don’t seem to realize this, even people living here. The amount of people I work with who are shocked that my wife wasn’t granted immediate citizenship and is still going through the process 7 years and two children later is quite high. I like to bring it up when they talk about how easy immigration is in Canada and how we’re being overrun by immigrants.

    • Asafum@feddit.nl
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      16
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      4 months ago

      And unfortunately it feeds into the right wingers arguments here…

      SEE! They get it! Not even those socialist asshole countries allow just anyone to move in so why can’t we freely murder Mexicans that jump the border!?”

    • BigDiction@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      4 months ago

      Remember learning about travel visas.

      I got a valid U.S. Passport. What do you mean I can’t just give services money and go wherever I please?

  • ladicius@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    56
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    4 months ago

    Oh, you try moving from your ravaged country to our haven of stability? No, you don’t. Or only if you let yourself be exploited as an underpaid protoslave.

    • Maddier1993@programming.dev
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      24
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      4 months ago

      Your comment made me think: Its funny that politicians who promise more strict borders and curtail immigration from Asia also support bombing the heck out of the Middle East.

      Like, you gotta stop at some point and think… “maybe we should stop being assholes and not plunder natural resources and call people extremist for opposing us”

        • Icalasari@fedia.io
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          6
          ·
          4 months ago

          Hey now, Capitalism would rather beat those people into submission and turn them into slaves. Bombs cut into profit, ya know :u

          • Killing_Spark@feddit.de
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            4 months ago

            Well building bombs on the other hand is very lucrative. As long as you keep a few zones of earth as playgrounds for these bombs

          • Facebones@reddthat.com
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            4 months ago

            Like how people say to nuke Palestine. It’ll never happen, the entire point of the genocide is to free up water side property for the elites

    • NABDad@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      10
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      4 months ago

      only if you let yourself be exploited as an underpaid protoslave

      We’re from the U.S. Anything less than that would feel too foreign.

  • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    31
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    edit-2
    4 months ago

    Leave America and move to other country

    Create socialist utopia

    Get invaded and bombed to rubble because socialism is not allowed.

      • explodicle@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        4 months ago

        The notion that we can simply go test new ideas in a new country seems to be largely promoted by neoliberals, because it implies that liberalism is popular.

        I sincerely wish we could have more tests like the Free State Project - now they just want to impose it on everyone.

  • AfterthoughtC - he/ him@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    11
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    edit-2
    4 months ago

    Saying “leave if you don’t like your country’s imperialism” is no different from saying “anyone who are not as racist as me should go kill themselves”.

  • Rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    7
    ·
    4 months ago

    No you don’t get it, yanks are from the shining light of the world! The US is a perfect place that every other country looks up to, and even their problems are kind of cool!!!

    God I’m so sick of hearing about it 😂

    • Not_mikey@slrpnk.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      13
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      4 months ago

      A huge chunk of cartel funding comes from American demand for drugs. They could be a much more stable country if there weren’t billions of dollars coming in to mega Corp level gangs that can corrupt and control large parts of the country.

      • jaybone@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        5
        ·
        4 months ago

        And that’s America’s fault? If so, what would we do to fix it? More drug legalization?

        • Not_mikey@slrpnk.net
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          12
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          4 months ago

          more drug legalization?

          Yes! The war on drugs and prohibition has barely done any good and has been used to justify a police state to lock up black and brown people, made drugs less safe due to lack of regulation and traffickers making increasingly concentrated drugs to hide easier (fentanyl), destabilizes our neighbors and funnels money to criminal organizations that murder people daily to ensure their market. All of this so maybe a few less people will do drugs, even though drug use has gone up since the war on drugs started and the fact that a drug being illegal usually isn’t , and shouldn’t be, the main reason people don’t do drugs.

        • Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          ·
          4 months ago

          if its similar to marijuana, prices of drugs drop heavily when legalized. as long as something stays forbidden, the cost is extremely high, especially drugs that are popular with wealthy people.

        • volodya_ilich@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          4 months ago

          do you know why?
          Because we are fucking assholes; corruption, nepotism and populism would still run rampant and we (mexicans in general) would still enable them

          I understand you’re probably Mexican, but you’re just being racist towards Mexican people. There’s nothing inherent about Mexican people that makes them corruptible, tolerant to corruption, or assholes, or nepotists. The reality is Mexico is part of the global south, and so the global north basically forces it to adopt free trade agreements which allow companies from the global north to open factories and businesses there with misery wages and bad working conditions, and to export these goods and services to the global north at much reduced prices. This perpetuates a cycle in which the labor of the global north is consistently priced much higher than that of the global south, and there’s a wealth extraction called “unequal exchange”.

          In the meanwhile, every effort is made so that there’s no labor organization in the exploited country, and that elected leaders don’t apply protectionism or even nationalizations.

          So yes, it’s fair to blame the US and the rest of the global north for the lack of development of most regions in Asia, Latin America, and Africa.