The motive behind Jovanovic’s actions was reportedly her fear that motherhood would jeopardise her professional career as a lawyer for a prestigious car brand.
You know what else I bet would jeopardize her professional career?
Also that’s murder, not manslaughter.
7.5 years of jail?
Ding ding ding we have a winner!
And the social consequences of course
This is sad, and it’s a shame the prosecutors are only going to be interested in a conviction. This woman is obviously suffering, and needs medical help for her postpartum depression.
Ok I legitimately laughed at this. Well done, sir.
Please repost that as its own meme, this is gold!
WDYM “its own meme”? Comedy is all about context, and this meme is only perfect because it’s in the context of this story.
Generally sure, but I think part of the context that makes this funny is the meme format itself, which is why I think it would also work without the context of this post.
Fuck dude.
I know, I’m awful. At least I had the decency to edit out the last panels.
It makes the joke just that much more of an oof tho.
10/10 my friend
I think that makes it even better. Fucking dark, but still funny because we all knew right away what the last panel would look like were it there…
I’m not sure she’s actually wrong in the part about it Jeopardizing her career, because let’s face it sometimes that’s true. However did that not occur to her before she had the child? Surely she should have known that and not had a kid if that was her main priority.
Or, she’s a lawyer for a luxury car company…
So hire a god damn nanny?
This just sounds like post partum depression to me.
Post partum psychosis.
I can’t even begin to understand what it’s like inside a woman’s brain after childbirth. My wife struggled through it and came out ok. I’m glad I could help her.
I read that the hormone swing from pregnancy to “back to normal” the month or so after is the fastest swing in hormones a human can experience.
It can absolutely fuck up your brain during that time + lack of sleep + stress. It’s a recipe for this kind of thing.
“Just”
You’re all rational and empathetic about this smh
That’s definitely how I try to be! 😊
What the fuck
Exactly…
What the fuck I just read ?
I know. I need eye bleach after reading that headline.
Sounds pretty awful, but remember that prosecutors don’t have ESP. So “prosecutors claim she didn’t want to jeopardize her career” is not the same as “she didn’t want to jeopardize her career”.
It’s not like she wrote in her diary “Today I killed my newborn because I thought it would interfere with work.”
Yea I don’t think many are as focused on the motivation part as much as the lady defenestrating a fuckin baby.
Now there’s a word you don’t get to use very often!
Unless you follow Russian news!
“Funny” list to look at if you are bored https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_(2022–2024)#Suspicious_deaths
Lots of uses of the word “window” in there
defenstrating!
That’s fair. Pure unfounded speculation: I wonder if there was an element of post partum psychosis.
My guess: didn’t know she was pregnant until very late. Options were dwindling or nil. She was completely and insanely career obsessed and career-anxious.
Arrives the last month or two. Pregnancy is hard to ignore then, but it was probably daily terror and panic as she didn’t know what to do. She probably felt cornered, insane with anxiety and barely holding it together in a field that doesn’t give you any room for error.
By the time she has to deliver, her brain is likely already pure soup from the anxiety, obsessing with how she can’t handle it, how it can’t be happening, how she can’t be a mother, doesn’t want to be a mother, can’t - not doesn’t want to, but can’t! CAN’T you understand?! - stop to work.
So she delivers secretly. By this point she’s too far gone, mentally a complete mess, insane, unstable.
So she kills her newborn.
Not as a heinous premeditated act of hatred, violence and mischief, but as a completely insane act of post partum depression, psychosis, work related anxiety and sheer craziness.
She didn’t choke or shake the baby then dug a grave at night - she didn’t do some elaborate crime and elaborate body-hiding shenanigans.
She threw. The. Baby. Out. Her. Own. Window.
And she’s a lawyer.
There was no attempt whatsoever to not get caught or to act surreptitiously.
Just pure terror, psychosis and a horrible, tragic impulse that ended up terminating a new life and ruining another.
Sorry i got carried away lyrically lol.
Yeah the title doesn’t mention that she gave birth in secret and threw the baby out her window 10 minutes later…
Yeah this is a pretty important detail I think.
German-language media says that she claims to not have known that she was pregnant, her Internet search history showed she likely did. Defense said that she was traumatized and had suppressed that she knew. Psychiatric evaluation says she was fully accountable. It’s kinda obvious that there was something very wrong going on, though.
Gee do you think?
" Hoech claimed Jovanovic was unaware of her pregnancy and overwhelmed by the sudden birth."
How can one unaware of her pregnancy until give birth ?You think you would notice missing 9 periods, having your entire nipple area change color and produce milk, need to go pee every thirty minutes, feet swelling, rapid temperature changes, focus problems, food cravings, vomiting for three months, odor sensitivities, not being able to tie your shoes, weird fast reflexes, urge to take on home repair projects, and skin changes.
But I am positive someone here will tell me about their friend’s cousin former yoga instructor’s roommate who didn’t notice for some reason and act like this is the norm
It’s not the norm but it’s also not unheard of.
No joke I have a friend of mine who just went to sleep one night and woke up with a baby covered in blood crying on her bed, umbilical chord still attached… Glad she doesn’t roll over in her sleep
Let’s set aside motive and treat this woman’s obvious problem with her mental health. The last thing she needs is criminal proceedings and punishment that achieves nothing apart from getting conservative dicks hard.
This is horrifying. Unfortunately this is a problem because most countries do not allow abortion after a certain period of pregnancy; and there is oftentimes no exceptions to this that isn’t “a Rape charge on someone they might have slept with.”
This means that certain women can get “stealth-ed” by someone1 and not realize they’re pregnant until they’re too late past the abortion deadline because of their biology and inexperience with being pregnant. It’s also random and uncommon enough that authorities and lawmakers do not make accommodations for this situation.
1 - This also includes other situations such as uncommon birth control failures.
In this case; anti-abortion laws are intended to be cruel.
Unfortunately, women who are unknowingly pregnant also can’t get help. I think it’s likely the woman did not know she was pregnant until some point nearing the birth in the 8th or 9th month. If you’re a woman who isn’t native to the country, don’t know it’s laws, don’t know where to get help and stuck on a business trip or company provided residency visa; I could see how easily one could be quite panicked.
I don’t think she did the right thing. Unfortunately it’s a rare case of some grey areas which too often we tend to treat like a black area of wrong.
While all that is definitely reasonable, it’s a pretty big leap from “the law prevented me from getting an abortion” to “I’mma just yeet this baby out the window.”
Those ideas are so far apart as to not even remotely justify one another, right?
Like, if someone gets cut off in traffic, and they get mad and mow down a dozen pedestrians, it’d be insane to be like, “Well, you have to understand, he got cut off real bad. Mowing down pedestrians is clearly wrong, but there’s definitely some real grey area there.”
Pregnancy and birth normally is traumatic and fucks you up. Your brain is doing wild things chemically and drowning in hormones, that sometimes actually push people into a temporary insanity. People with postpartum psychosis can become violent to themselves and others, hallucinate, have delusions, etc. It happens ~2 out of 1,000 births. And is more likely if the person had an untreated mental health problem beforehand. Getting angry that somebody cut you off is not a medical thing. Psychosis 10 minutes after labor usually is.
Fair, and if the guy I responded to was saying that this was a grey area due to PP psychosis, I would have just agreed.
But he was making the case that this was a grey area due to the abortion laws forcing her to give birth. That’s a much different stance, and the one I was replying to.
But they’re not really disconnected? Sometimes abortion is the treatment for PPP and PPD. I know people don’t want to hear it. But it is true. Some people are not equipped to handle the pregnancy and birth, and to stay sane they need the out. Any barriers you put between them and their treatment makes these events more likely to happen.
There was an American woman-whose name I forget but doubtless others will remember, who under the pressure of her fundamentalist christian husband kept having kids, and had PPD after each, and it was worse every time. She had counseling, she had anti-psychotics, her episodes were documented, but she was in an environment where she was pressured to carry to term. With her last pregnancy her PPD gave her religious delusions that her children were going to end up in Hell so she drown them all in a bathtub to save their souls. Pregnancy can be fraught on a healthy and willing person, what kind of pressure do you think it puts on someone who isn’t?
I wonder if it was regret so much as a perinatal mood disorder or even postpartum psychosis. Very very sad. Until there’s evidence supporting the claim I think it’s best to give the benefit of the doubt.
There’s also women that simply end up not loving their baby and society pressuring them to be happy can lead them to be miserable and to take bad decisions like in this case. People need to start feeling comfortable talking about that because it’s more common than some people would like to believe and these women should feel comfortable considering adoption even if it wasn’t their plan when they got pregnant.
Even trying to look for articles on the subject is pretty much impossible in English while I find more info in my first language…
This was a lawyer for a huge corporation… of anyone on the planet are you implying she just lacked access to an abortion? This woman is the most socially able example you could imagine…
I am extremely pro-choice. That implies a choice of a woman over her body. Not a choice to murder a born and living person, just cause of the situation or someone’s thought processes.
It may be hard to understand for people who think a mass of cells that would die without the mother living is an independent person who deserves to live regardless of if it kills the mother…
But I got to say you are doing a disservice to what pro-choice means.
Feels weird attaching pro-choice positions to a rich woman who threw a baby out the window instead of giving it up for adoption. That’s a disservice to the argument that poor people should have a choice in the first place.
To be fair, while abortion is technically not legal in Germany there are various allowances that essentially make it legal with restrictions. It is also for the most part less controversial than for example the united states. As for the restrictions: permitted within the first 12 weeks, after an advisement appointment with a doctor and a 3 day consideration period. For women with low income the mandatory health insurance covers the procedure, the restrictions also do not apply in cases of rape or health risk to the mother.
I guess what I am saying is that the woman really had no excuse not to have an abortion or give birth and then give up the child for adoption. Fucking heinous crime, especially for something as mundane as what sounds like a mid level bureaucrat job.
Please give your children up for adoption instead, what the fuck
So, I’m guessing abortion is banned or banned early in Germany?
She claims she didn’t know she was pregnant.
Did she not know about adoption either?
You also have the option to give up newborns at hospital sites anonymously and safely without any fear of persecution. I would have expected that you would know such a thing if you’re smart enough to become a lawyer, this was anything but a rational decision.
It’s complicated. Basically it’s illegal, but there’s exceptions. The one exception that makes this law very weak, is that it isn’t illegal anymore if you got counseling at a place specialised for it.
Rape and medicinic reasons are also exceptions and counseling with the doctor is enough in that case.
It also has to happen in the first 90 days after getting pregnant.
This is a very complicated and backwards way of saying: it’s not illegal, you’re required to talk to a specialized counselor first though. That’s also frankly not an un reasonable requirement.
It’s not that complicated.
Well, that is mind-blowingly awful.
As fucked up as this is, there’s so little information given by this article that I can’t even form an opinion on it.
Feels clickbait but it got me going for a minute haha
My current take is babies should not be thrown out of windows
Fucking extremist!
Personally I like to listen to all sides
You say that but it’s well known some of them babies are out to get ya
Sure that was my initial impression too, but I think I am going to sleep on it and maybe take some polls or study the matter more deeply. Can’t be too rash when judging someone for tossing a baby out of a window.
Yeah, what if the baby was an asshole?
‘Who are we killing, I won’t do kids, that’s a rule, but the rule’s negotiable if the kid’s a dick.’
- Adrian Pimento, B99
Also it is really important that we consider all points of view. Maybe the pro-baby throwing out of the window side raises some interesting arguments. Let’s hear them out
Least psychopathic lawyer
Lots of heartless people in the comments who didn’t read her side of this. Honestly, I sympathize with her almost entirely.
She didn’t know she was pregnant. This is something that happens to women of her size sometimes. Not all pregnancies have the telltale symptoms. Sometimes you learn about your pregnancy as you’re going into labor.
It’s rare, but it absolutely happens.
She went from having a normal evening, to giving a natural birth alone in her apartment in a matter of about 20 minutes. She went from thinking she was having cramps to holding her newborn baby.
Within 10 minutes the baby had been dropped out of a window.
The amount of trauma this woman experienced, combined with the extreme and often immediate postpartum mental health issues, including psychosis, absolutely led to her making a completely irrational and tragic decision. I find it hard to swallow that she deserves punishment as if this were a long thought out plan to kill a child. This was a poorly handled crisis handled by a traumatized woman in a fugue state. She was not in a sound state of mind.
She doesn’t deserve prison, she deserves compassion for what she’s suffered and treatment for her mental ailments.
That they interrogated her and used her panic over her career against her as if she schemed to kill a child to further her career is honestly a disgusting angle to try to punish this woman. They opportunistically grilled a woman experiencing trauma so that they could throw the book at her.
She murdered a baby. She needs rehabilitation, help, sure, but it doesn’t get much worse than baby killing, imo.
She was convicted of manslaughter, not murder. Even the courts that I am criticizing aren’t going as far as you.
Regardless, whatever emotional response you have to the death of the baby shouldn’t matter in comparison to the circumstances and motives leading to it.
Your zero-tolerance for “baby killing” is what lands women in prison for miscarriages.
Terrible attempt at a straw man at the end there, 2/10.
Those speed runners find the weirdest bugs in the simulation
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Holy fuck lol
