PS.

I would for vote Kamala. I would vote for a cactus with sunglasses if it had the Democratic nomination. You would do yourself well to consider anything that is weaking the resolve of the anti-trump sentiment straight poison to your brain. We have only one job this novemeber and that is to stop trump. The Supreme Court has given him the status of king. Quit acting like your vote is sacred and start realizing your vote is your final cry before your rights are forfeited.

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    I am an unapologetic leftist, and, like most other leftists, I do not believe that engaging in the liberal democratic process will, or even can, bring about my ideal society. However, while I don’t think voting is likely to make things meaningfully better, I do think it can prevent things from getting meaningfully worse. Maybe fascism can’t be defeated with votes, but I can’t see how anything is lost by trying. I mean, why make it easier on the fascists? I’m sure the fascists won’t just give up because they lost an election, but that’s not a reason to hold the door open for them. Again, I don’t think voting for Biden (or whoever the Democratic candidate ends up being) is going to make things much better, but I do think not voting for him could make things much worse. So, we (leftists) should all vote for the Democrats this November. Not because it’s going to get us nearer to our ideal, or our ultimate goals, but because it might help prevent the US from being taken over by fascists.

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        …the democratic party does not make electoral reform a priority. Are they ever going to address the problem of all these disenfranchised voters who don’t want to vote for them?

        Probably not.

        Democrats need to beg people they dont represent to vote for them to stop fascism. That’s the point of your entire comment right?

        Correct.

        Democrats can’t fight the republicans alone.

        Yes, that’s true.

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        how many times are you going to spam this? espescially that skewed youtube video that seems to be designed to push people toward strategic voting instead of voting for their values.

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      Change requires sustained momentum. Bouncing back and forth between Republicans and protest voting against Democrats. Is a sure fire way to see no change. If we were to say, show solidarity and dedication to keep all Republicans from elected office. Republicans would lose relevance and slink away. They might try masquerading under a different name like economic liberals playing Libertarian that generally vote Republican. But they will lose influence.

      Once that happens. Then we focus on the worst of the Democrats, primarying every single one and driving them out. That sustained momentum and push is what’s needed. To keep the fascist and the wealthy scattered and disorganized like they’ve kept the left. Though the left has done a fair share of that to itself. The right will eat itself as well especially once they’re not winning.

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        How sustained are we talking? We ushered in the Biden presidency with a huge mandate in 2020, and snuffed out the alleged “red wave” in ‘22 due to republicans’ reprehensible views on denying women bodily autonomy.

        Biden and the establishment Dems have squandered this time by telling Americans who are suffering economically that the economy is doing great. That Biden is better than FDR, while our public infrastructure crumbles and our most popular social programs are at risk of closure.

        When should we expect the Democrats to actually do something meaningful that improves the vast majority of normal people’s lives?

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          The Biden administration has been directly addressing that crumbling infrastructure with the largest federal infra investment in modern history. It just happens to be boring so the media doesn’t talk about it.

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            Ok, so private contractors who are pals with Congress critters get massive checks from the taxpayers to maybe do something, but we won’t see any tangible improvements for at least a decade.

            What are they doing in particular? Shouldn’t Biden be making his case as part of his campaign for president? It seems that whenever he gets pressed for details, he just gets flippant and says he’s done more for the American people than FDR and we’re just too stupid to realize it. I’m just not seeing it. I do see a record amount of oil and gas drilling, asylum seekers still in cages while building more of Trump’s wall for him, massive arms sales to enrich military contractors and slaughter innocents in the middle east, and a seeming lack of interest in protecting voter rights and civil liberties. So to me, it seems nothing has changed with Biden from the neoliberal status quo over the last 25 years. Considering he’s over 80, that’s not a huge surprise. Is it the media’s job to advertise Biden’s accomplishments for him?

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        We don’t need to wait for the Republicans to stop existing before we get representation in exchange for our votes. With a more representative electoral system like Ranked Choice voting, people would be free to vote for those that best represents them, secure in the knowledge that their vote would still be counted even if their preference didn’t win. Still counted against the republicans.

        You see, we can have democracy and freedom at the same time. How we vote is controlled at the state level, so we should be able to make these changes in blue states where republicans have less influence.

        Unless of course, the democrats in power in those blue states aren’t interested in democracy.

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          So long as the republicans exist, the amendments necessary to get ranked choice voting wont happen. So yes actually, we do need to wait for them to stop existing

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        Yeah, basically if the Republicans can be crushed in an election or two - Not just defeated, but absolutely demolished - then it could lead to them dissolving, and lead to the Democrats splitting and pushing the Overton window back left

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          I’d still argue that’s a bit too short-term. It would have to last years. Not just elections. Probably 3 to 4 presidential elections at minimum. A good decade absence from from National political relevance will get the message across.