Digital privacy seems quite straightforward, because your digital devices are environments you more or less can have complete control over if you want to. But when you’re out and about, it’s a much more uncontrolled environment. There are cameras everywhere.
I wear face masks everywhere for a combo of protecting myself from illness and privacy. But the limitation is social acceptability. If anything good came out of covid it’s the normalisation of face masks, but you are far from unidentifiable if your only face covering is a covid mask. We’re lucky that sunglasses and hoodies on their own are fairly normal, but all of the above in combination would draw attention to you. And it’s definitely not socially acceptable to walk around in a balaclava.
The other thing is forensic data. If you don’t wear gloves, you’ll leave fingerprints everywhere, and hair too. I suppose wearing gloves is not particularly seen as weird or suspicious, but it just seems like there are a lot of considerations and challenges with preventing the state from knowing your every move when you leave the house.
What considerations do you make for IRL privacy, if any?
(Not particularly interested in “I don’t care about IRL privacy so I don’t do anything”—that’s fine and your choice, but ofc this question is aimed towards those who do care)
My wife wears rubber gloves to the doctor. I have thought about getting some light butler type gloves for riding the train and such.
cash
not much I can do about CCTV (without breaching important social norms)
(without breaching important social norms)
But why would anyone who cares about privacy consider them more important?
because human being
That’s weird.
Because breaching important social norms does the opposite of privacy, it draws attention to you.
I pulled that CD bit on a friend for his 30th birthday lol
Have fun not getting stopped by the police if you walk around with a balaclava, especially if you’re Black.
Their problem. We’re activists. We fight for rights, not compromise them.
What do you mean? Getting stopped by the police is a big deal. They can arrest you—in which case they will obtain your details, take your fingerprints, etc, which is antithetical to privacy—and they can do worse than arrest you too if they feel like it.
Well it highly depends on the country in question
In what country does being detained by the police not lead to them identifying you? The police are highly unlikely to release someone if they don’t know who they are. I think it’s fairly global that detainees who refuse to give their name to the police will at least be kept until the police have identified them.
The government already has your data because it’s how it works. Detention for identification is not bad and you can just bring your ID with you (that you should do all the time tbh) in case the police ask questions. Still they won’t like follow you so there is some improvement as long as you don’t let the cameras track you exactly to your home address.
In US pig will kill you and nothing will be done about it.
Most people are not willing to take that shot esp if you are in a lower social economic position.
Not surprised at all tbh and of course it’s usually not worth taking such risk. I was talking about countries where covering your face is allowed.
Because that can make you stand out even more.
As an example: No point using high contrast makeup to break up the patterns of your face from facial recognition if all they have to do is look for the guy with wacky makeup on in their footage.
I vote for political parties that are explicitly against facial recognition when possible (always a small party that nobody knows). I use cash.
Gotta say, I don’t think most peoples’ threat models make worrying about IRL privacy a concern, but that’s obviously not the point.
For the record, I don’t use any of these techniques myself, it’s just stuff I’ve read.
For facial recognition, a lot of CCTV cameras don’t have IR filters, and can be blinded with Infrared LEDs, so there have been some promising experiments with shoving a bunch of them into hats. You’ll glow real bright in any footage, but they won’t be able to see your face.
Beyond that, there’s always prosthetics (think like what is used in movies) to alter your facial characteristics.
All that said, I believe the main way of identifying individuals in camera footage now is by gait analysis. Supposedly a rock in your shoe can change it enough to not match up between different footage.
You’d also want to ditch your phone or put it in a signal blocking bag, as it can be uniquely identified by the saved wifi SSIDs that it tries to connect to, and by its bluetooth unique identifier (might just be the MAC address), that can be tracked by low energy bluetooth beacons (how stores track customer movement within and how most places did covid exposure tracing with the apps).
As far as fingerprints go, maybe a light layer of superglue on your fingertips to disrupt the print patterns? That’s a complete guess though.
What are the chances that an IR LED hat would get you run over by a self-driving vehicle? We already know they don’t deal well with anything out of the ordinary, and they routinely slam into trucks and barriers.
Ride a motorcycle. Then if you’re wearing a helmet and gloves it’s not odd
Motorcycles have license plates. Better to ride a bmx bicycle with a motorcycle helmet.
Won’t attract any attention at all /s
Not a whole lot, honestly. Wear a mask and sunglasses sometimes.
If you were determined/sensitive you could attach IR lights/battery to a hat that will blow out the image on a CCTV camera without drawing too much attention from those around you.
Gait detection is also a thing that hiding your face won’t stop. You’d have to just constantly put a rock in different places in your shoes or break a leg LOL
They also make devices that will blow out microphones in close proximity.
Maybe I should start walking at an irregular pace like the Fremen in Dune to throw off gait detection. Since it’s probably trained on an average lazy American gait I suspect an intentionally irregular gait would completely fuck the algorithm. Of course, if you’re the only one doing it you might wind up even more identifiable. But maybe you could introduce some subtle irregularities that most people wouldn’t notice in person but a computer would pick up.
Everything you’re describing is terribly inaccurate.
LOL good thing you showed up to tell us absolutely nothing
I hear a lot about gait detection, but I wonder how widely it is implemented.
This laughably does not work unless you’re only walking at night under very specific circumstances.
What doesn’t?
Nothing. Simple.
Gait detection is also a thing that hiding your face won’t stop. You’d have to just constantly put a rock in different places in your shoes or break a leg LOL
Never even considered this but that makes sense damn. Time to start work on my open source privacy-respecting leg breaking machine
these folks can help and its less invasive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNeeovY4qNU
This is one of the greatest things that came out of the pandemic, though. Its no longer weird to walk around in a face mask. Its normalized in almost every country, instead of just Asians.
Everywhere except in the USA’s Republican states. It’s an unforgiveable sin to be seen with a mask on there for stupid reasons.
I wear a giant Juggernaut-style helmet
That’ll help with keeping a low profile. I personally go for a red flashing clown nose, and triggers in my shoes which set off a loud explosion sound with every step. The speaker is in my ridiculously tall top hat.
Nice! You’ll basically be invisible
Tbh I’d be trying to avoid eye contact so this may kinda work by making them seem unstable and insane. I’d remember them as crazy guys but wouldn’t be able to identify them without their outfit.
They should make a sunscreen or moisturiser that shields you from face recognition and fingerprints, like those covers on license plates that make em shine on police cameras
a sunscreen or moisturiser that shields you from face recognition
Tin foil balaclava.
I love hoodies but a plain cap & a mask is my go to for being in public.
you can use a faraday sleeve/bag for walking around/using public transportation when carrying your phone/devices.
cash, for sure. also, using cash only for transit passes & not linking them to any identifiable accounts.
Stay in the basement and drink alone.
Nothing. The effort required to make a meaningful impact against this type of threat is way beyond my threat level.
So uh what kind of threat level are we talking about here
