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    It’s weird that Mao, Sun Yat Sen, and Chiang Kai Shek, were all part of the same pro-democracy party early on in China’s civil war.

    Mao won the war, Sun Yat Sen got out of there, Chiang Kai Shek was pushed out and became dictator of Taiwan.

    China is weird.

    Also weird is that one guy caused most of the deaths from famine in both the USSR and China: A conman named Trofim Lysenko, who was lying about having a new science of agriculture… He was bury seeds way further than they could handle then faking his results to keep his job… Killed like, 30 million people who were ordered to take up his techniques.

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      About China, you know what they say, it’s easier to be the opposition than to actually govern. Many of those who govern end up being corrupt or incompetent or both.

      Who knows if mainland China under ROC would have been better. People say that will be the case when we look at Taiwan. But Taiwan suffered from thirty years of so-called White Terror and Taiwan eventually democratising is arguably pure luck due to a man whose name escapes me.

      The trajectory of history is never predictable. There are far too many factors to consider; factors which are themselves caused by chain reactions of previous factors and events, which themselves are influenced by other previous events.

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        Chiang Kai Shek already oversaw a China beset with hyperinflation, pervasive corruption, and famine. That, too, is history.

        It’s why the Maoists were able to launch a popular revolution in the first place. Chinese people had literally nothing to lose but their chains.

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          Chiang had to work with various warlords and bore most of the fight against the Japanese, while Mao gathered strength and let ROC to bleed itself. Even if ROC won and the CCP got destroyed, we don’t know if factionalism and warlord-ism will emerge since ROC had been weakened severely. Or, in another alternative time, Chiang and KMT had somehow pulled a miracle, and somehow made the entirety of China industrialised as quickly as post-war Japan and never had to resort to dictatorship and hence had always been democratic after World War 2.

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      If I remember it correctly, in China Mao ordered sparrow to be killed en masse because they supposedly ate the grain: turns out that what they ate were the pests that attacked the plants.

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        95% correct, the sparrows were also eating the grain, but removing the natural predator to the far worse pests resulted in far worse famine due to an explosion in population of pests. This was one of the factors that resulted in Mao losing influence in the party over time.

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      China is weird

      Is it? There are plenty of examples of smaller factions joining forces to overthrow a common enemy, who later battled it out amongst themselves.

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    These “tankies” are conservative right-wing shitbag trolls trying to convince the normal people that supporting oppression and dictators is somehow “left-wing”. Do not fall for their conservative bullshit.

    Just like any other conservative, every word they utter is deception or manipulation. Tankies are conservative trolls through and through.

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    Eat shit you cocksucking motherfucking tankies. Wash your skin, I’m pretty sure your stench reaches the ISS.

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    heck you don’t even have to go that far. the second picture can be pretty much every republican president whos held office. When was the last ware we started happen while a dem president was in office?

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          What do you mean “Source?” Are you asking for a source that Israel invaded Gaza? A source that the US funded it? A source that it escalated during Biden’s presidency?

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            Are you implying that on a quiet morning somewhere around last October, Biden gave Bibi a call and ordered him to escalate?

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          It isn’t as much of a stretch as that created by Israel sticking their hands far up U.S. govt’s ass.

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            Wait, so the US is the puppet? Is the US fighting Israel’s proxy war? Do you people even know what you’re saying when you say stuff like this?

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          It is a stretch, but it’s also a proxy war funded by the US that escalated several fold under Biden

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        A proxy war implies they’re using another nation to fight an enemy. Which enemy are they fighting? Palestine is not an enemy or threat to the US.

        You could consider Ukraine as potentially a proxy war, but you’d have to be pretty stupid or pretty mislead to think Gaza is.

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        I don’t see how. you would need to consider any military action by any ally then as a proxy war for any nation. So it would be a proxy ware for most of europe to and asia and a good part of both africa and the americas.

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        More like a defense of merchant ships attacked by houthis.

        I wouldn’t call that a “war started by Joe Biden”.

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          Well Wikipedia considers it a war, I bet the poor mother fuckers that died think so too, but that list has 7 other conflicts that Obama started, weirdly there isn’t a single one by the ultimate mega hitler everyone is talking about.

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            ultimate mega hitler

            If Trump wins and he starts marching the Latino and queer people into camps like in the threats his people are making, I want you to remember that you said this.

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                  Show me where anyone is threatening internment camps for gay people.

                  The Latino thing is going to be the exact same thing that all 4 of the last sitting presidents did, but you’re going to act like it’s worse when someone red is in charge.

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            Another day, another comment I’ll block for stupidity.

            The 10 people who died in the defense of merchant ship from houthis is totally comparable to the tens of thousands of homeless people, protestors, victims of police violence, inability to pay for medical care, resulting from Trump era policies, not to mention what banning abortion will do.

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              I’m not trying to defend Trump, I’m just saying that the proposition that all Democrats are bloodless pacifists is completely removed from reality.

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            Megahitler is currently focused on the enemy within, after that is exhausted they will need to start on the enemy without.

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            Oh well if Wikipedia says it is then I guess we have no choice. Who invented the toaster again?

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            Ansar Allah could just take Iran’s fist out of their ass. But they seem to love being front line puppets.

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              Good, I’d rather not talk to people who settle their differences of opinion by stamping their feet and plugging their ears.

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            Megahitler closed a “don’t shoot while I’m running away” deal with the Taliban that Biden had to mop up, now you can hate on Sleepy Joe as much as you want, but that is Drumpf’s doing.

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            I have little hope you’ll grab the concept, but

            Did that ‘war’ start with the Houthis firing missiles, or them being fired upon?

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    Has anyone ever thought that if you combined Stalin and Xi Jinping, it would probably look a lot like Kim Jong Un? Like, if you fed the two of them into a ‘What would our baby look like’ generator, I feel like it would be real close.

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    I mean Biden is supporting Israel so he ain’t any better.

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    Still have yet to see more than a lone tankie on any thread

    Plenty of people vaguely gesturing at lemmy.ml for some reason thiugh

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        I’m seeing more and more tankies migrate to lemmy.world, because they don’t do anything against them, but lemmy.world is also much less likely to get defederated by other instances. Fuck big, centralized instances. People should move to smaller, niche servers like db0, blahaj.zone, beehaw, etc.

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          my alt is on blahaj and I really enjoy the local stuff there but its so slow for me sometimes :/

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          Beehaw has explicitly stated that they do not want more people to join, they want to maintain it as a micro-server, by the way.

          In general, I do think joining smaller servers is a good idea.