This page is nothing but a bunch of insecure fragile liberals fighting straw men. Are you so worried about valid and consistent leftist criticisms of your liberal candidate that you would prefer to silence all oppression? You’re the idiots with bandages on your ears but with a blue hat instead.
Why is it shocking that genuine leftists (who also hate Trump) would have leftist-perspective criticisms of Kamala Harris too? Should everyone left of center be completely silenced? Is the Democrat candidate so weak and fragile that leftist criticisms will take her down?
This is nothing but tribal liberals trying to shut down progressive discourse.
You’re all shockingly cultist. Holy shit this place is a disaster.
You’re the idiots with bandages on your ears but with a blue hat instead.
So calling anyone that’s liberal but not leftist a blue MAGA isn’t a straw man? It’s intentionally inflammatory and wrong. It sounds like you’re being elitist, even if that’s not your intention.
I agree that the average US liberal isn’t progressive enough and I don’t agree with a lot of the liberal circlejerk in these comments, but your argument is just as flawed and cultist.
that’s a fair point, granted. I’m also generalizing and it seems this thread is evolving somewhat but the first dozen comment threads here were liberals taking swings at straw men and that’s a pattern I’ve seen in every thread.
not all liberals are like this but this community is staggeringly cult-like and paranoid.
oh NOW suddenly and always the leftists have critiques of liberals even though the one who couldn’t win was replaced by one who could hopefully win, their consistent ideology can only mean they’re Russian agents
So calling anyone that’s liberal but not leftist a blue MAGA isn’t a straw man?
No liberal is a leftist, liberalism is right-wing, while leftism is Socialist, of some sort. Additionally, the person you replied to said liberalism itself can be debated, but this specific anti-Leftist liberalism found on Lemmy.world is “Blue MAGA,” ie Leftists aren’t allowed to complain about whatever right-winger the DNC fronts.
It’s intentionally inflammatory and wrong. It sounds like you’re being elitist, even if that’s not your intention.
I don’t see how any of that follows.
I agree that the average US liberal isn’t progressive enough and I don’t agree with a lot of the liberal circlejerk in these comments, but your argument is just as flawed and cultist.
So you agree with them saying leftists should be allowed to have a voice, but disagree with them saying Lemmy.world liberals are trying to silence Leftists, then “both-sidesing” them? Not sure what you’re cooking here.
Left means progressive, right means traditional. Liberals are progressive and left leaning. Less so in the US, but still not right wing.
Your comment is excluding specific progressives and mislabeling them because they’re not as progressive as you. That’s what I mean by elitist.
Additionally, no one here is silencing anyone, unless you can pull up some proof that a liberal mod is deleting leftist comments in this thread for being leftist. Everything in these comments is just discussion.
Also, I agree. There are some specify anti-leftist liberal comments here and on Lemmy. That is frustrating and my comments aren’t meant to support that, just to point out the hypocrisy I saw. Almost everyone here is anti-fascist and anti-maga, we can be a bit more civil in our disagreements
Liberals are progressive and left leaning. Less so in the US, but still not right wing.
Incorrect, entirely. Liberalism is the status quo, ergo it cannot be considered left. Liberalism supports Capitalism and is a right-wing ideology, to be left is to go against that status quo.
Your comment is excluding specific progressives and mislabeling them because they’re not as progressive as you. That’s what I mean by elitist.
I’m not being “elitist,” I am pointing out that Liberalism is not progressive, it’s the status quo. I myself am a Marxist, and believe leftism to be correct, but not elite.
Additionally, no one here is silencing anyone, unless you can pull up some proof that a liberal mod is deleting leftist comments in this thread for being leftist. Everything in these comments is just discussion.
In Lemmy.world’s modlog, you can find comments and posts removed for being “commie,” and Lemmy.world defederates from explicitly Marxist instances.
Also, I agree. There are some specify anti-leftist liberal comments here and on Lemmy. That is frustrating and my comments aren’t meant to support that, just to point out the hypocrisy I saw. Almost everyone here is anti-fascist and anti-maga, we can be a bit more civil in our disagreements
It’s usally confined to right-leaning instances like Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works.
Lemmy.world in general is terrible for things like this, I would suggest joining a more niche instance or a different generalist instance if liberalism bothers you.
Liberalism is an ideology that can be debated and has merits, these are just cultists. I don’t think so little of liberals that I think they’re all like this.
Liberalism is an ideology that can be debated and has merits, these are just cultists. I don’t think so little of liberals that I think they’re all like this.
Yes and no. Lemmy.world specifically curates this form of liberalism, they have an anti-Marxist stance and as such left-punchers flocked to Lemmy.world. Non-left-punchers generally leave Lemmy.world.
This is just the politics subreddit isn’t it?
In my experience, no, not really. Some smaller, niche communities are good, but overall Lemmy.world has curated its own userbase.
No problem! I recommend checking out other instances and scrolling by local feeds, to find one you like the vibe of. Lemmy.world blocks a few instances you could be interested in, or might not be, but scrolling by local anonymously is a good tip I’ve found.
Democracy has never worked why do people still talk about voting being a superior system to monarchy? Every democracy has become a monarchy. No democracy that’s ever been tried hasn’t turned into monarchy!
This page is nothing but a bunch of insecure fragile liberals fighting straw men. Are you so worried about valid and consistent leftist criticisms of your liberal candidate that you would prefer to silence all oppression? You’re the idiots with bandages on your ears but with a blue hat instead.
Why is it shocking that genuine leftists (who also hate Trump) would have leftist-perspective criticisms of Kamala Harris too? Should everyone left of center be completely silenced? Is the Democrat candidate so weak and fragile that leftist criticisms will take her down?
This is nothing but tribal liberals trying to shut down progressive discourse.
You’re all shockingly cultist. Holy shit this place is a disaster.
So calling anyone that’s liberal but not leftist a blue MAGA isn’t a straw man? It’s intentionally inflammatory and wrong. It sounds like you’re being elitist, even if that’s not your intention.
I agree that the average US liberal isn’t progressive enough and I don’t agree with a lot of the liberal circlejerk in these comments, but your argument is just as flawed and cultist.
You’re generalizing what I said, you can see plainly that I was referring to the people behaving like that in this thread.
This is the depth of analysis I’ve come to expect from you all, though.
I’m literally a leftist -_-
I just disagree with arguing and insulting anyone who is a bit less progressive than me. I prefer to not see the world as black and white
that’s a fair point, granted. I’m also generalizing and it seems this thread is evolving somewhat but the first dozen comment threads here were liberals taking swings at straw men and that’s a pattern I’ve seen in every thread.
not all liberals are like this but this community is staggeringly cult-like and paranoid.
oh NOW suddenly and always the leftists have critiques of liberals even though the one who couldn’t win was replaced by one who could hopefully win, their consistent ideology can only mean they’re Russian agents
No liberal is a leftist, liberalism is right-wing, while leftism is Socialist, of some sort. Additionally, the person you replied to said liberalism itself can be debated, but this specific anti-Leftist liberalism found on Lemmy.world is “Blue MAGA,” ie Leftists aren’t allowed to complain about whatever right-winger the DNC fronts.
I don’t see how any of that follows.
So you agree with them saying leftists should be allowed to have a voice, but disagree with them saying Lemmy.world liberals are trying to silence Leftists, then “both-sidesing” them? Not sure what you’re cooking here.
That’s factually not correct though. I understand and agree there is a difference between leftist and liberal, but the rest is just blatantly wrong.
Here’s a history lesson on left and right wing;
https://www.history.com/news/how-did-the-political-labels-left-wing-and-right-wing-originate
Left means progressive, right means traditional. Liberals are progressive and left leaning. Less so in the US, but still not right wing.
Your comment is excluding specific progressives and mislabeling them because they’re not as progressive as you. That’s what I mean by elitist.
Additionally, no one here is silencing anyone, unless you can pull up some proof that a liberal mod is deleting leftist comments in this thread for being leftist. Everything in these comments is just discussion.
Also, I agree. There are some specify anti-leftist liberal comments here and on Lemmy. That is frustrating and my comments aren’t meant to support that, just to point out the hypocrisy I saw. Almost everyone here is anti-fascist and anti-maga, we can be a bit more civil in our disagreements
It is not “blatantly wrong.”
I’m aware.
Broadly, yes.
Incorrect, entirely. Liberalism is the status quo, ergo it cannot be considered left. Liberalism supports Capitalism and is a right-wing ideology, to be left is to go against that status quo.
I’m not being “elitist,” I am pointing out that Liberalism is not progressive, it’s the status quo. I myself am a Marxist, and believe leftism to be correct, but not elite.
In Lemmy.world’s modlog, you can find comments and posts removed for being “commie,” and Lemmy.world defederates from explicitly Marxist instances.
It’s usally confined to right-leaning instances like Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works.
What in the actual fuck are you talking about?
Leftism is Socialist, ie collective ownership of the Means of Production. Rightism is Capitalist, ie individual ownership of the Means of Production.
Liberalism supports Capitalism, ie current system + tweaks, ergo it is right-wing.
Lemmy.world in general is terrible for things like this, I would suggest joining a more niche instance or a different generalist instance if liberalism bothers you.
Liberalism is an ideology that can be debated and has merits, these are just cultists. I don’t think so little of liberals that I think they’re all like this.
This is just the politics subreddit isn’t it?
Yes and no. Lemmy.world specifically curates this form of liberalism, they have an anti-Marxist stance and as such left-punchers flocked to Lemmy.world. Non-left-punchers generally leave Lemmy.world.
In my experience, no, not really. Some smaller, niche communities are good, but overall Lemmy.world has curated its own userbase.
Thanks for giving me the lay of the land. I can’t imagine being so fanatically, what amounts to, centrist…
No problem! I recommend checking out other instances and scrolling by local feeds, to find one you like the vibe of. Lemmy.world blocks a few instances you could be interested in, or might not be, but scrolling by local anonymously is a good tip I’ve found.
The folks at .ml would love you over there.
BUILD THAT WALL
So edgy!
leftist discourse is challenging our liberal chamber this is a foreign state sponsored attack
Aaah. The smug arrogance of a socialist. How adorable!
and yes many liberals are insufferable, but I stand by my original statement even when such examples love to make themselves known.
You’ll forgive me if I don’t take someone who subscribes to an untested and provenly ineffective political system seriously I hope.
Every few years this shit rehashes as if we’ve forgotten how fucking embarrassing it was the last time.
You want to replace our socioeconomic and political system with something better? Be my guest-
But offer something better. Marxism is utter garbage.
oh why didn’t anyone tell us this before?
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Mastengwe circa Napoleonic France:
Democracy has never worked why do people still talk about voting being a superior system to monarchy? Every democracy has become a monarchy. No democracy that’s ever been tried hasn’t turned into monarchy!
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