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Hilarious. Logitech’s software has always been an afterthought and now they want me to pay for it? Goooo fuck yourselves. I had to sell a perfectly good keyboard and mouse because their stupid g-hub is harder to navigate than a g-spot.
It kept doing updates and every time it did, it would clobber all my macros and bindings and basically factory reset. I had a txt document on my desktop with all my configs so I could set them back up whenever it decided the configuration gods required a sacrifice.
G-hub also doesn’t work on Linux, which is actually a massive advantage. I use Solaar with a couple of shell scripts and it’s amazing. (edit) Actually it’s a Python app, so it might even work on Windows.
I’ve also had to blacklist the HID++ kernel module because high-res scrolling on a loose, mushy ratcheting wheel is awful.
…I feel sorry for your girlfriend/wife.
My girlfriend doesn’t have one, teehee 🤭
Go on, tell us how you work the spot, G Man.
For hours.
Hours! Then you ain’t hittin’ it, son.
You basically have to go behind the clitoris and stimulate it from the back while working it from the front with your tongue.
Our boys dick looks like the lower case letter ‘u’ well done
Damn you got a lucky mouse
Almost spat out my food, thanks
🤷♂️ My girl just lays on top of me and rides up and down along me, and that seems to do the trick. Not every time, mind you. But that’s the position that does it, if it happens.
Which is freaking great for me because I love that position. 🤤 Lots of skin on skin.
I started boycotting them when they started forcing a program to be downloaded, installed and run automatically on any pc running Windows 10 just by plugging a Logitech mouse/keyboard in to the USB port.
It installes through Windows Update, and is called Logitech Download Helper.
I am fine with Windows Update supplying and installing drivers, but using it to deploy program is scummy…
So now, I am on Xtrfy mice and Ducky keyboards.
G Hub doesn’t work with my old trusty G11 keyboard either. Since it’s both required for Logitech’s newer peripherals and also requires uninstalling the old Logitech Gaming Software which would reduce the functionality of my keyboard, it effectively banishes any future consideration for Logitech’s peripherals.
It’s basically moot since I run Linux now, but I don’t fancy the quality of Logitech’s products either these days. It’s a shame since their stuff used to be really solid. My X540 speakers are as old as my keyboard (16 years) and also refuse to die.
I have an idea for Logitech: Go fuck yourselves
No thank you, and get fucked.
Luckily I can buy a perfectly decent mouse that lasts forever for £5
As long as it’s not that god awful ThinkPad mouse that every corporation seems to give people.
Wait is this an onion?
Arent mouse already “forever” mice. Like what goes wrong in them? I’ve never had a wired laser mouse fail, and the batteries ones I usually lose the adapter or let it corrode before the mouse actually fails
And if anything I only buy a new mouse for aesthetics. Or when their old mouse is grody
I had the wheel button stop working on it once, it was still usable, just annoying, when I needed to do a middle click.
Also that happened after a decade of use.
Ask a razer user if their mouse/keyboard last forever.
Or when their old mouse is grody
That’s planned obsolescence. They cover the mouse in soft touch plastic that turns to glue in 5 years. It ensures that you buy a new mouse every 5 years while claiming they are reliable.
I read that acetone transforms the gluely soft touch coating to hard plastic. I did it to my old Logitech when it got grody and it is still not grody after 20 years.
They cover the mouse in soft touch plastic that turns to glue in 5 years
This is my pet peeve of modern electronics in general. Even my $3000 work-supplied Dell laptop is coated in this soft touch material that will inevitably turn into a gooey mess after a few years 🤦♂️
Also own a second-hand tablet computer that feels disgusting and sticky to hold because the soft touch coating has degraded so badly on it 😭
I fixed a bunch of ThinkPad laptops that were turning into sticky messes, I put a movie on, used a whole bunch of goo off and stripped all of the sticky plastic off of the devices. Now they feel great
Yes, mice are forever mice. That’s the problem, it’s just a one time sell.
By “forever” they mean you will be paying them forever for the privilege of using the mouse. Unless you break it that is, or they feel like they no longer want to support it at which point it will likely become a forever brick.
The switches eventually fail, but most mice use the same Omron switches and they are easy enough to replace if you know how to solder. The teflon skates wear out too, but you can find replacement for most name brand mice online.
I’ve had buttons stop working. The mechanism inside that registers the click is a mechanical switch and they eventually die
Well that means I need to find a new mouse because of them even suggesting this crap. I really like my MX Master. Beefy with some weight.
Or just buy 4-5 now and last the next decade.
Shame there’s no a mechanical mouse movement to create an industry of high quality alternatives we can buy.
There’s some OSH designs for trackballs and “ultra light weight gaming mice”, not much for the more standard stuff, just like with most mech keyboards, which are primarily for enthusiasts, often with “deck flex” for a “softer bottom out feel” (and shorter life).
To be fair they only said having a subscription for the accompanying software was a ‘possibility’, not that it would need one, and that it would be likely to be in the ~$200 price range, and with upgradeability and repairability in mind, as well as reliant on software updates.
Honestly depending on how much they lean toward the subscription and/or software update reliance having a mouse designed to last a lifetime and be upgradeable and repairable would be nice, even at a rather higher price point.
Make it repairable if you want it to last forever.
That was specifically one of the goals talked about in the actual interview and the CEO spent a lot more time on that than the topic in the headline.
I think cleanable is more important.
I had a Razer Diamondback for like 20 years, and let me tell you, the insides of that were not a pretty sight when I took it apart to work out why the mouse wheel was glitchy. Two decades of crumbs and pubes and assorted hand gunk.
Plus the rubber tends to get a bit tacky after a while, and I’m not sure of a good way to clean that.
I think ten years is a decent lifespan for something I use all the time like that. More is a bonus, but I’m happy to replace after that time.
Mice seem to be a stagnant tech, not sure I need another one for the rest of my life… if I could fix middle wheel click and replace parts like the rubber side that has worn away.
Cleaning is maintenance, a part of repair in my eyes 😊
It’s like TEL9 (a piece of technology that is so perfected, that at this point there’s no further improvements that can be made to it, see the paper clip, TEL10 is literally obsolete technology like the bow and arrow). The weird thing is there are companies out there that still seem to think that they can make money off of TEL9 tech.
No one thinks they can make big bucks off of paper clips, but CEO’s brains turn to mush as soon as it’s got a circuit board.
Vance Packard warned us, in his book, The Waste Makers.
this type of shit should be illegal
my forever mouse is a 15+ years old mx518
Right? If it was a g604 I might be tempted…
Oh no, anyway. Glad I never touched their peripherals because they’re overpriced like Razer and other bigger companies.
clicking away with my knockoff OEM reliable gaming mouse
Imo software update for Mouse is not that necessarily crucial unless you had nasty bugs like Cooler Master during launching their mouse. My endgame mouse is MM712 and happy with that👍🏼
Also you can build your own mouse though iirc may be harder than building DIY keyboard (sc: built custom macropad for college project).
A comment on the article: “I will go back to a command line before I pay a fucking subscription for a mouse.”
A mouse is not a complex device. African countries can produce computer mice. I mean, using USB requires paying for the license and circuitry for the USB controller, which is why I hate USB for simple periphery, older interfaces solve the problem better. Anyways, they can produce USB mice too. They can even easier produce PS/2 mice.
Damn, that’s pretty racist. You know I come from an “African country” that produces Mercedes right, or like, did the first heart transplant.
Im not sure what you’re trying to infer by what you’re saying, like we’re all some backwards ass fuckwits with 0 ability to do anything? Fuck, we used to produce our own RAM at a stage. Nuclear bombs even.
South Africa excluded as a former colonial state.
Im not sure what you’re trying to infer by what you’re saying, like we’re all some backwards ass fuckwits with 0 ability to do anything? Fuck, we used to produce our own RAM at a stage. Nuclear bombs even.
I live in Russia, I could have written “ex-USSR and African countries” so that you’d not feel offended. Would have the same meaning.
Point being having actual electronics production and not assembly.
Russia is a shithole
Not in every dimension, but in that of producing computer mice yes it is. Which is all that is relevant to this conversation.
By the way, I know that sub-Saharan Africa in general is becoming better very fast, and that Sahel has record population growth, and that Africa as a continent has bright future.
While Russia may hope for that only after a fucking revolution.
These are just irrelevant.
The irony of somebody from Russia calling anywhere else a shithole is just profound. Don’t you guys have to pour water in your toilets to flush them? The rest of the world has indoor plumbing mate, even Africa.
Anyway everyone knows that China produces all of the cheap crap anyway, so why wouldn’t you go at them?
Don’t you guys have to pour water in your toilets to flush them?
Are you high or something? Why would we?
The rest of the world has indoor plumbing mate, even Africa.
I would expect an entire continent to have some variability.
Anyway everyone knows that China produces all of the cheap crap anyway, so why wouldn’t you go at them?
China produces all of the crap. Without the “cheap” constraint.
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I’m not trying to disagree here but I was curious, this is what I discovered:
"Yes, it is possible to make a USB device without paying the licensing fee, but there are limitations and risks involved:
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No USB Logo: You won’t be able to use the official USB logo on your product or marketing materials. The USB logo signifies that the product has passed compliance testing and adheres to USB standards.
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Compliance Issues: Without certification, there is no guarantee that your device will be fully compliant with USB specifications. This could lead to interoperability issues with other USB devices and systems.
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Legal Risks: Using USB technology without proper licensing and certification might expose you to legal risks if the USB-IF enforces its intellectual property rights.
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Market Perception: Consumers and businesses often prefer certified products as they are deemed reliable and trustworthy. Lacking certification might affect your product’s market acceptance.
Despite these challenges, some manufacturers choose to proceed without licensing, especially for low-cost or experimental products. However, for commercial and mass-market products, obtaining proper certification is generally advisable to ensure quality and legal compliance."
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USB is better for modern computing since it doesnt operate on an interrupt basis, like PS2, that’s the problem with PS2, USB is polling based, so it always calls, which also means it’s a lot more versatile and flexible, because you can just call and receive whatever the fuck you want from it.
If you were to use PS2 today, you would likely see a significant performance impact.
Apparently nobody understood in which context this was said.
I meant a Star Wars Expanded Universe-like or solarpunk-like or some other imagined future (but with that element of utopia) world where computers are produced as widely as screwdrivers, are more modular and interoperable and competencies are also more widespread, and where computing is radically simpler due to these two requirements. Because you can’t have TSMC fabs everywhere.
USB is by far too complex a protocol for this when you don’t necessarily need it.
Also many motherboards still have PS/2 , no significant performance impacts, you might have mixed something up. Anyway, from a computer mouse you don’t need much.
Also many motherboards still have PS/2
it’s mostly a legacy thing, either industry boards which are used with windows 95, or boards that just include PS2 because, features™
no significant performance impacts
well, part of the problem is that in order to handle mouse inputs, the PS2 calls an interrupt which stops the entire cpu and forces it to focus on the user input, until it kills it likely over a cycle count metric, and then returns back to what it was doing, though perhaps this was back in the day when interrupts were more common, i wouldn’t be surprised if modern PS2 is just conversion into USB lmao.
you can argue that USB is complex, and it’s not all that complex, it’s just serialized data transmission, the benefit of it’s “complexity” being the massively increased transmission bandwidth compared to something like serial, which is like 32kb/s historically.
Yes, I know. I should clarify that all this was in the context of some imagined future sustainable computing with decentralized production and a bit of luddism.
As in “how would we live in spacefaring future if the PCs we could have were all comparable to Amiga 500”.
that’s definitely an interesting thought, i would figure it’s probably the most primitive source of communication, I.E. directly managed serial, or probably ethernet, which has an extremely broad range of applications, and standards, from anything from coaxial cables and ring networks, to twisted pair serialized transmission and switched tree networks.
Isn’t USB like…a mandatory standard now on all devices?
It’s complex enough if you are making some hobbyist device.
I’m imagining some world with production of anything related to personal computers being as decentralized as that of hand screwdrivers.
In that context USB is complex.
Logitech has an idea for a “forever mouse”
Great, my money is good to go. I’ll pay big for something that’s easy to keep clean and doesn’t have that horrible sticky rubber after a few years.
that requires a subscription
I’m out.
This was my reaction too when I read the title, complete with curiosity about what they mean with “forever”.
Forever: until we decide that we no longer want to maintain the product, rendering it useless and forcing you to by whatever we replace it with
Lol I actually had to check to make sure this wasn’t published on April 1st. Missed joke opportunity, this is hilarious
