Imho, Xbox fully died when the 360 was taken offline.
They really do seem dead-set on transitioning to a software rental company. Let the hardware languish and shove another tier of Game Pass into the marketing grinder.
I just bought an RGH3 hacked 360 off etsy today after the Xbox live closure. Actually pretty siked to go back and play some of the 360 games I missed back then that have been stuck on that console generation.
If only that sale counted .
Next go with a PS3 and hack the fuck out of it. 1tb max hdd, free games market. My kids love it.
Let me just fire up all these Xbox exclusive and first party games they’ve released since like 2021…
Halo Infinite - failed
Starfield - failed
Forza Motorsport - terrible launch
Redfall - failedOut of curiosity, I googled exclusives for Xbox series exclusives. They’ve got things like Forza Horizon 5, sunset overdrive and Ori. Like, sure, but you can’t say proudly that your console is being held aloft by 4+ year old titles when the competition is releasing banger after banger!
They just missed the mark. You can spend billions on R&D and marketing for a new console, billions on buying up game studios to make new games, but if your games suck on launch, people won’t play on your console.
What XBox has done this generation is borderline suicide.
I know Ori is also on Switch. I’m not sure about Ori 2.
Its on PC. At least the first one.
Ori and Forza are on PC, I don’t know about the other one
Yes exactly. A large number of their older titles exist on other platforms like the Switch and of course, the PC, where gamepass lets people play those titles for a very affordable price.
All the more reason then to make games like Starfield and Halo infinite the absolute best games they could be
I have a real opposite problem with exclusives. I don’t think they should exist. A console should just be a means to an end: to play a game.
I get why they do it but it’s bullshit. It’s just a custom PC that plugs into a TV.
I completely agree. Console exclusives are crap. Especially with how good PCs are.
The case I see is like this: Many publishers increasingly argue that they don’t have a strong monetization plan for big epic singleplayer games unless they have a dozen forms of microtransactions. For Sony, the monetization plan for God of War is the PlayStation 5 - and all of the residual purchases that come after someone owns one. 80% of those purchases will be of games that are on both Xbox and Playstation - but went to the latter because God of War and Spiderman are awesome. With that in mind, the teams making those games can sorta just aim for awards, not perfect profitability.
I have two kids. Both prefer pc or switch for exclusives. They haven’t touched the PlayStation or Xbox in months if not years. I don’t even think they know how to turn them on.
The last Xbox I had was the 360 so take this with a grain of salt, but they made the choice between XBone and PS5 so simple for me by making all XBox titles playable on PC. As someone who would entertain buying both consoles, I never found a compelling argument to bother.
How do you play Xbox titles on PC? I thought some didn’t work?
As far as I can tell, every game that’s listed as XBox exclusive on Google is available on PC Game Pass. I played Forza, Halo Infinite, Flight Sim, Sea of Thieves, Starfield, Ori, etc.
Oh I see. Can you play with Xbox players?
That’s a good question! I know there is some cross play, but I think there are many titles that don’t have it. If you play multiplayer with friends who also have Xboxes, that’s probably a good argument to get one.
I’m not surprised. My experience with Xbox has declined over the last few years now so wouldn’t recommend it to anyone anymore.
What has changed if you don’t mind?
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- I bought the newest console to play the most recent Halo. It truly sucked
- The first Bethesda exclusive game was Starfield. It truly sucked
- The recent focus has been towards online multiplayer and GAAS. Toxic games and toxic service models.
- The ads are insane. Sometimes I’ll turn the console on to a full screen ad about Diablo or Game Pass I have to acknowledge before actually using the console. Beyond that there is designated space on the home menu for 3 different banner ads.
Just my opinions as someone that’s enjoyed that xbox brand since the first one, and stuck with it out of convenience and from making friends on the network there. Next “console” is a proper gaming computer
I’ve grown a bit tired of the Xbox experience as well with some of what you’ve mentioned. I also don’t play every single game that comes out, just a select few with whatever free time I do have. I want to get away from online gameing if I can, though I’m not against it my preferences are just shifting so I want to gravitate more to single player games and currently I’m considering the next Switch console (Switch 2?) and just play all the first party games Nintendo is known for, Zelda, Mario, Starfox, etc and all their retro games that’ll be on the online store. I could get lost for years with that content. Really excited to possibly have that option for myself in the future. Just thought I’d share a different perspective.
The last console other than the switch that I owned was the PS3. I loved that UI. A buddy was like “let’s play some Halo” and I loved halo 1 and 2 but the rest just don’t do it for me. Once he booted up his Xbox and I was driving the UI trying to launch the game I just wanted to hurl. Such a garbage UI. Littered with ads etc.
No idea what PS5 UI looks like but they’re just PCs with a custom UI at this point so I’ll stick with my PC.
PS5 ui is actually quite bland but at least it isn’t crammed full of useless shit like the Xbox dashboard.
I find the aesthetics of Xbox are actually nice but again they fill the dash with so much stuff it’s a mess and intrusive.
I was a heavy Xbox user up until last year when they redesigned the Xbox home screen.
Instead of being able to pin multiple groups of custom apps/games wherever you want, you now only get one group pinned about halfway down the page past several rows of ads. There are generally at least 5 separate rows of ads on the homescreen at all times.
I have a series x (also had an original, 360, and one), and will 100% not be buying another console from Microsoft. The joy of using my expensive console was ruined by ads.
I need to finish Elden Ring, after which my Xbox will be used as a steaming device for videos from my PC or Kodi exclusively.
Edit - upon checking it looks like you can actually pin 2 custom groups. But there are also really 14 rows of ads, not 5, so…
Thanks, that sounds awful and i don’t blame you
Same. I recently bought a PS5 after being an Xbox user since the post-N64 days. The difference in quality is substantial.
Games = Usually okay
Console = Nah
I’m getting rid of my xbox when the ps5pro comes out. the fact that the Xbox just keeps regressing in features (I can’t plug in a USB microphone wtf???) and rising costs of game pass just pushed me back to Playstation.
I was disappointed to find out that my PS5 doesn’t support Bluetooth headsets. You’ve gotta get one of the Sony ones I guess. The controller looks like it has an RCA port for analogue headphones and a built in mic, so it might fit your use case but I was pissed when it wouldn’t let me use my wireless bone conduction headset instead of the earbuds on the PSVR2. I usually just use my TV speakers because earbuds never stay in my ears properly, but it would be nice to be able to play without worrying about the volume being too loud for others, like late at night.
Why do you link to another link aggregator instead of just linking https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2024/07/xbox-console-sales-continue-to-crater-with-massive-42-revenue-drop/ directly?
Because I read it on said link aggregator. And I like the concise no-bullshit format of slashdot. I’m sorry it offends you.
Because no one wants a console with ads, has no gyro aiming, strange support for older Xbox/games.
Every xbox360 console I have owned or known others to own was defective within a short timespan. I would never trust their hardware ever again.
Well… could it be that they saturated?
I mean, the consoles been out for a while, I suspect at this point everyone remotely interested has one?
I think they fucked up with the series s/x. The Balder’s Gate 3 release made me realize that their policy that games needed to have the same features enabled for both the s and x essentially meant that even if you spend the extra money on the x, it will be held back by the s merely existing.
That’d make sense, but that’s still a negative sign, as PS5/Switch have yet to meet saturation.
Thing is, they don’t need to sell consoles anymore. They’re in the gamepass business now. This is why they’re pushing gamepass on phones, PCs, Samsung TVs and Firesticks. They don’t really care about selling you a box under the TV anymore since they’re usually sold at or near a loss anyway. They just want you on the subscription wherever you can play it.
They currently have roughly 34 million subscribers (as of February, I’m guessing Activision Blizzard King is going to bump this number up further), let’s assume an average of $12 a month. That’s over $400 million coming in every month or 1.2 billion every quarter on the books. They don’t have to rely on a big game to have a good month.
You’re more valuable to them having the gamepass subscription and just playing on your phone over someone who buys a console and purchases 7 or 8 games a year. Articles like this fundamentally misunderstand the current gaming landscape and their business model. They’re not losing the race, they’re playing a different sport.
I think I’ll just stick to playing retro games in emulators for free without a subscription. Sure I miss out on the latest and greatest games, but graphics aren’t everything to me, the gameplay is more important to me. Plus, I really despise having to have subscriptions for everything. If Game Pass works for people, more power to those gamers, but I’m tired of giving what little income I have to billion dollar companies. /rant
Thing is, they don’t need to sell consoles anymore. They’re in the gamepass business now.
They need to sell consoles to sell GamePass to people. Nobody is going to play games on a Firestick. Same reason why nobody bought the mobile ports of Resident Evil. Those who play games, buy the hardware for it. Some go overboard with the high-end PC and some prefer to buy a cheaper console, but nobody is like “yeah I’ll play Elden Ring on my phone”. Gamers want the hardware, and casuals don’t buy gaming subscriptions. It’s a lost cause.
“MS doesn’t care about selling Xbox console” is a lie they have been pushing for a while now because their console sales have been tanking for that many years. They would LOVE to sell more consoles, they just can’t, so they attempt to spin the story a different way so that the shareholders are still happy. What, you want to know about sales? But who cares about sales, it’s all about engagement! Look at those big, happy numbers we are showing you!
Nobody enters a business with the idea that “whatever, even if we don’t sell enough, it’s fine, we still had a great time”. MS didn’t became the world’s biggest corporation by being lazy.They currently have roughly 34 million subscribers (as of February, I’m guessing Activision Blizzard King is going to bump this number up further), let’s assume an average of $12 a month. That’s over $400 million coming in every month or 1.2 billion every quarter on the books. They don’t have to rely on a big game to have a good month.
That’s great until you consider the fact that GamePass doesn’t operate in a vacuum. To put games on their service, they have to pay developers. They then need to please shareholders who want subscribers and revenue to increase. The fact that they increased the price twice in a row and effectively doubled the price of GamePass overnight suggests that they are not pleased with the current revenue.
Heck, we don’t even know how many of those 34m subscribers are paying customers, and how many just got into GP by paying $1 or benefitting from some other deal. I was one of those 34m back in February, because I got a year for free with the Rewards program (back when it was still worth something; they axed that one as well, because of course). When they asked me to pay to renew it, I cancelled the subscription. I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one.You’re more valuable to them having the gamepass subscription and just playing on your phone over someone who buys a console and purchases 7 or 8 games a year.
Sure, but that’s the same as Don Mattrick asking customers to “stick to their X360”. The choice is not between buying games on XOne or subscribing to GamePass on your phone. The choice is between an Xbox, a PS5, a Switch or a PC. Two of those choices means that they have lost a customer (you can’t subscribe to GP on PS or Nintendo consoles), and I’d be curious to know how many people are subscribing for GP on PC instead of just buying games on Steam. You don’t need GP to play online on PC as you do on console, and the prices are cheap enough that you are probably saving money just buying those games instead of renting them.
And let’s not talk about how terrible the user experience is on their PC storefront compared to literally any other competing storefront - I’d rather buy a game on Epic than use their Xbox store, and that says a lot. I had a game on PC thanks to the Play Anywhere program (bought it on Xbox, got the PC version as well), but I had to buy it again on GoG to mod it because MS considers their game files more precious than the holy grail itself and wouldn’t let me go anywhere close to them, let alone touch them.Just wanted to comment that the Xbox/MS store games are fine now. They used to be in some shitty encrypted directory but not anymore. I have Gamepass for free from a ton of Microsoft rewards points and primarily play GP games on my Xbox, but I’ve played a few on PC as well and I’ve not found it to be too much different from Steam. You can go to a directory and see all the game files as expected. The always online bit sucks though, the recent Microsoft outage due to Cloudstrike kept a lot of people from playing games. That said, I don’t buy any games there, but my experience with gamepass games has been fine past that initial encrypted directory phase.
My Baseless Prediction, i.e. if I ran Xbox, what I would do given their situation:
Microsoft will sunset the Xbox as a console but focus on creating a dual boot mode for Windows similar to the Steam Deck and Big Picture Mode. Probably called “Xbox Mode” or something similarly unoriginal but evocative. This streamlined mode will greatly reduce system overhead and be controller-centric, and it will have an emulation layer to support all Xbox ecosystem games along with backward compatibility. On certain form factors it will be the default boot mode, and supporting this they will release two new Windows PC form factors: a living room box and a handheld. Other PC manufacturers will be able to jump on the wagon as well. I doubt they will in any way define reference performance profiles akin to a console “generation” but they may have some kind of guidance regarding how graphics should scale seamlessly between TV/monitor and handheld form factors to allow for a Switch-like docking experience.
If it means my console friends will finally play on PC I’m for it
I mean technically yeah. But it might also mean some meeting-in-the-middle on what PC/console even means. It’s probably push PC fanning even more toward being console, with the benefits of more consistency and less cheating, but the downside of being less flexible and more crowded with console players. Probably also a bigger push for buying PC games through the Microsoft store when possible.
You need to shoehorn some AI into this tho
Uggggghhhhh. Me, I’d just support DLSS-style upscaling and call it a day but realistically there will be some GenAI bullshit for sure.
Somebody was showing off an AI technique to de-interlace old videos. This is a problem that is notoriously difficult to solve algorithmically you either end up with blurs or you end up with crossfade.
This will revolutionize the old VCR porn market
There’s always room for more
This streamlined mode will greatly reduce system overhead and be controller-centric
This doesn’t sound like anything Microsoft has done before.
For what it’s worth, Windows 8, while tragically mistargeted, was a marvel of streamlined engineering.
But your skepticism is sound. Microsoft hasn’t been able to execute a bold and cohesive vision in at least a decade, if arguably ever.
This is what I believe too
Maybe don’t close the studios making your only good games next time? Dunno, just a thought
This was the reason I left. Don’t fire your flagships.
It’s one of those pieces of advice like “Don’t lie on the ground naked next to a fire ant colony” but I guess some people really are that stupid.
The studios they kept around are making games that are a shadow of their former selves too - Halo Infinite and Forza Motorsport come to mind, as well as Starfield. Microsoft Flight Simulator is the only really good one still as far as I can tell.
They lost me forever when they tried to make the Xbone unable to play games unless you were online.
