You can’t guarantee better mods, those are volunteers/instance admins/staff of an instance admin and are people. There is nothing inherent to how Lemmy works that ensures that people tasked with moderating aren’t power hungry or in some way a bit of a dick. There was to my understanding, a certain draw to Lemmy over Reddit in that the federated nature means the actions of some power hungry moderator on one instance won’t leave you having no option but to accept their behaviour because you can just migrate to another instance to see and interact with the same content or even spin up your own instance, but that doesn’t make the mods themselves any different and that’s all in theory anyway. In practice there isn’t currently a way to migrate user accounts from one instance to another so if your account is of value to you and you’ve run afoul of some ban happy mod in one community on one instance, then you’ll have to make a whole new account on another instance if you want to circumvent them and interact in that same community again from another instance and in such a case if its identifiably still you, or you want to engage in the original behaviour that incurred their wrath then they’ll just ban you again from your new instance because a different protocol design doesn’t mean different people.
Lemmy makes it a bit easier to make competing communities. If enough people get angry at bad mods in a community they will migrate.
This already happened in Reddit, but competing communities had different names, and Lemmy also allows to escape bad admins and sites/instances.
I like that we can escape from site admins. There’s some profound magical thinking going on at lemmy.ml. But I have unsubscribed to all their communities. I haven’t yet blocked it entirely but I could do that too.
Not only that but where do they think 3/4 of the mods went during the great migration and blackout out reddit?
Lemmy dudes. They haven’t gone anywhere lol. Hell, reddit feels even less moderated these days besides the usual stickler subs like /r/anime lmfao.
It’s going to have ads eventually if it continues to grow.
Why?
nothing gets big without being taken over by a corporation or government. and I mean that in the most meta way possible.
What does that look like on Lemmy?
It looks like people participating who are paid to promote a company
But you’ll see people accused of being a shill long before Lemmy draws the notice of advertisers
because advertisers will do anything to sell something. even if not official ads id bet we see fake accounts pushing something like reddit has seen over the years
Spam is a moderation/instance level problem. If your community is pinning ads, nobody’s going to subscribe or participate in it. There’s no value in doing so.
not pinning ads just posting them. buying upvotes maybe
Still a moderation problem. Whoever properly moderates will cultivate a community that’s not a shithole and people will go there instead.
I’ll just host my own instance without ads.
They post anyway.
That’s not how this works. Eventually the way we search instances gets weighed heavily to the content with ads. Look at podcasts or youtube. You just can’t find that OG material and it’s not just because the Joe Rogan are just that much better at podcasting. It’s because the ads are expensive and the system is made to sell attention.
You cannot give an inch. You either have to stand firm and never tolerate any encroachment of advertising or you have to bend over and grab the ankles and brace for the massive ad injection into all our spaces. There can never be any middle ground. Like a weed you have to be proactive and the minute you let your guard down it’ll take over wearing the face of your favorite ishowspeed clone.
mechanically speaking though, you can just fork it
or leave lemmy.world (say) for another instance
world is straight up the worst instance, truly impressive how bad it is
It’s sliding further and further to the right, calling out transphobia gets your comments removed now if it’s against power users being transphobic or defending transphobia.
Maybe I’m not understanding. But my thing is stuff like this
Internet is sliding away from what it was originally in the worst way. it’s to the point you cannot create anything without forcing ads into it. At what point does just forking the instance not work. Who says github doesn’t just start charging people like an Azure subscription and then offer up as packages as a way to reduce cost
Someone will fork it then. That’s what I’m saying to not give an inch.
and then what? have the same fractional migration of users to yet another small corner of the internet?
Why not just collectively reject ads and fight for the spaces we have left instead.
Why not just collectively reject ads and fight for the spaces we have left instead.
How? Just say no?
I am rejecting add, that’s why I’m on Lemmy hahaha
You’d have to stop reading popular posts
I don’t know why people keep attributing privacy to Lemmy when ActivityPub is anything but.
Is ActivityPub logging which IP I post from? Is ActivityPub monitoring which communities I view? Is ActivityPub blocking me from browsing with my VPN on?
Is ActivityPub logging which IP I post from?
That depends on the implementation.
Is ActivityPub monitoring which communities I view?
That depends on the implementation.
Is ActivityPub blocking me from browsing with my VPN on?
That—believe it or not—depends on the implementation.
We already have an implementation. You me and OP are all on Lemmy. So can you answer these in the context of Lemmy again?
I actually can’t answer them, because I only admin this instance, I don’t run it.
While I’m sure this is not the case, it’s entirely possible that the people who do run this instance are running a fork of it that does all of those things. It couldn’t log your IP address or block your VPN, but it could mine, and your instance could yours. And I haven’t read the Lemmy source code, so I don’t know what even an unmodified Lemmy logs.
(Actually this instance is running a fork right now, or rather a branch: 0.19.6-beta1, because lemmy.ml is the core Lemmy developers’ instance for testing beta code before releasing production versions.)
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But you can read the source code and get an understanding of whether it is collecting private information or not. You can theoretically also fork the code and make your own version of Lemmy where you’re ripped out the parts that collect private information. Can you do any of those things with Reddit? Absolutely not. You have no idea what exactly Reddit collects and even if you did you have no control over that collection.
What you’re doing is questioning the privacy aspect without putting in the effort to check if your questioning is valid. Nobody is preventing you from reading the source code. And if you don’t trust anyone else running the instance you can fork Lemmy, make whatever privacy changes you need and host your own instance. That goes beyond the capabilities of the average user but that’s the catch with privacy, if you can’t trust others then you have to learn more to get by without others.
Many Lemmy instances block VPN posting. You can view, but not vote or post. I have a secondary private VPN I use sometimes for that. But honestly the whole thing just sucks.
ActivityPub does not share your IP with other instances, but of course, like all websites, your home instance can see your IP.
I got off lemmy.world because they block VPN connections. Not happening, under any circumstances. I don’t trust anyone that much.
Trust them with what though? What are you posting?
Did you just do the “if you don’t have anything to hide, what’s the big deal” move?
I want privacy. That’s all.
I’m just saying that you’re literally making posts and comments specifically to be heard. What’s getting obscured here?
Well, my ISP doesn’t need to know anything about my posts. And the fediverse doesn’t need to know who I am beyond “growingentropy,” so…
Ah yeah that makes sense.
I have a router with a VPN. I’m not disabling that just to post on lemmy.world.
Meanwhile I know lemmy instance that blocks most clearnet connections and can be accessed from tor and i2p
Is your IP passed on to other instances along with your post/comment?
Nope, that info stays on the home instance.
No idea. I installed a VPN on my router to get privacy. That’s all I ask.
No. ActivityPub does not share your IP with other instances.
The amount of magical thinking around federated protocols both on Lemmy and Mastodon is astounding. Sure, design decisions make a difference, but federations gonna federate.
And generally that’s fine. If you’re posting stuff publicly, expect it to be public.
Lemmy gives away for free what Reddit is desperately trying to put up walls on so they can sell it, but I wouldn’t call it “private” because it’s monetized.
Lemmy is the opposite of privacy, and that just makes sense if you 🤔.
I desperately want all my posts on all forum like sites to be easily indexable by search engines. That Reddit blocked other search engines besides Google from indexing is crazy.
Privacy in the sense that no one is selling your information for profit
In terms of privacy reddit has it better(still bad but better than Lemmy) because your content is locked behind a paywall only few companies can access. On the other hand, any one can train their AI on Lemmy posts and access all history of all users freely. The difference is that on lemmy only the companies that collect your data profit, while on reddit also the owners of the platform (reddit itself) profit.
No, it’s just open free for the taking by anyone who decides to spin up their own instance, or to anyone who decides to scrape from an instance frederated with yours without robots.txt set against web scrapers. Hosters could even intentionally break federation to prevent deletions from syncing.
I love lemmy, but privacy is not one of its features.
Any script kiddie can scrape the entirety of Lemmy, with the exception of direct/private messages. robots.txt is merely a request, with no enforcement capability.
That was what I was going to say.
That said, if someone detects some sort of data-mining plagiarism bot sucking down everything on an instance, it can be defederated very quickly.
New instances basically suck down everything as the most normal use case. That’s what activitypub is for.
There is script that marks entire fediverse for backfilling
Why would such a bot need to be on a new instance?
See, the app won’t track your clicks, views, interests. Only public thing is the thinh you post. Which is great for public communities. Theese are meant to be public. But things facebook or reddit or google does is enough to call lemmy private
Reddit still has niches that (unfortunately) exist nowhere else, probably won’t exist anywhere else soon due to the need for foot traffic, and are tolerable as long as old.reddit.com stays up.
And it’s the lesser evil over Discord.
Lemmy is of course 1000x better, but it doesn’t matter if your niche there is a ghost town.
I only lurk on Reddit these days, but if old reddit goes away I’ll be completely done with it.
anything worth value, is 3 > 4 years old, and all those users are “deleted”.
if google and duck duck go stop indexing old.redd, I’ll probably never see it again.
But, at least trying to grow said niches didn’t hurt. I’ve been on lemmy for more than a year and i’ve both created new horror groups and “adopted” abandoned one and, at the very least, now there’s some life there. Nothing amazing, but people post and interact now.
If a group you find interesting is abandoned just start posting there, also, if the mods are gone for more than 9 months, just ask to the instances admins to become the new Moderator, all it took is to send a mail most of the time.
Was I the only one who read “power hungry” and “mods” separately and thought it fit with how reddit is run these days? I.E. the owners of the site are power hungry. I mean, the mods are too but they don’t hold a candle to the owners or reddit.
Uh, no. Better mods is bullshit.
The same powertripping happens here and the admins are just as dismissive.
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It is so invigorating to see you remember me.
You were banned for deliberate intellectual dishonesty, which I had clearly predicted in the thread. Shame I forgot to block you as well. Let me take care of that.
Fight fight fight!
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It’s shocking how often I think the assholes of Lemmy have hearts in the right place and thus I don’t block them but are otherwise overly committed to specific and weirdly hyper critical takes.
Like they want the discussion/fight but only as long as they win every time even though no one is 100% right about anything. And not everyone needs to know or believe in the same hyper specific thought process they believe in.
It’s shocking how often I think the assholes of Lemmy have hearts in the right place
Zero tolerance policy here. If a person is being needlessly antagonistic or resorting to personal attacks, they get blocked. On reddit it was pointless because the assholes number in the millions, but Lemmy is small enough that it’s made the experience better over time.
Reddit’s blocking mechanism was also insane. Take this hypothetical thread,
- User A
- User B
- User C
If User B blocks User A, User A cannot reply to User C. Blocking on Reddit prevents people from replying to anything that is a reply to you instead of just your own comments.
Works the same here, from what I can tell. I would prefer a “this user has been blocked by you” message instead of just cutting off the whole thread.
i just choose (other than lemmy) irc and some random obscure chatroom hidden in a webcomic
The mods are not better here.
Are you sure it’s not just your instance?
mango is both retarded, and unrelatedly correct.
Yes.
Are you joking? Lemmy is basically unmoderated, and the little moderation we have is trash.
You’re on one of the best-moderated instances unless you hate trans people.
I’m aware. That’s why I chose this instance. And yet.
I’m guessing the issue is that instance mods only see reports. What we’re missing is moderators that care about a community and curate it.
Thats the neat part about lemmy, every instance can do their own thing.
If you’re not happy with the moderation you currently have, you can always check out other instances
Several people have already raised concerns with the fact that they got banned from several unrelated .ml communities by the same mod for breaking the rules in one community. There are several topics with broad appeal that have their largest community on .ml. Switching instances is basically the same as making another account because you’re still subject to the .ml moderation.
Then the people should switch over the communities to another instance then
The people don’t really do that. A move needs to start from the mods, whether it’s because they want to move or because they did something to piss everybody off.
Moderation is community level though.
If you bubble everything up to instance admins they basically melt from the effort.
I can’t speak for other instances, but we don’t melt from the effort.
We don’t either
Yes and no
If one of our users report something on lemmy.world for example we can remove it for all our users.
So yes, the post still exists but from the perspective of our instance it’s removed.
I’m not sure if mods are a proper criteria when it comes to comparing Lemmy and Reddit. The audience is mostly the same and Lemmy doesn’t automatically make people/mods better or worse.
Also, you forgot one major point: API! I get to use and support my third party app of choice Sync here on Lemmy which was killed off by Reddit.
Yup. I made a comment on [email protected] that criticized the recent rigged Venezuelan election, complete with citations. Banned for “misinformation”. Sure, you can just go elsewhere, but “better mods” is subjective.
Yeah, as soon as Reddit killed off Reddit is fun, it was game over for me
Majority: everybody uses reddit, so I’ll join them
Me: everybody uses reddit now, time to leave
Reddit on pc and lemmy on the phone. Better content on reddit with discussions not always becoming an ad for linux
Recently found a FF extension that works with RES to make the old.reddit mobile site…not a nightmare to use…
Now I pretty much just open reddit when I want tech news and/or feel hopeless…
It’s not a service issue, it’s a people issue. Just wait and see Lemmy just turn up the same.
Lemmy no official apps but fediverse cross post are awesome
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I wouldn’t say that. It varies from subreddit to subreddit, community to community, instance to instance. And sometimes they are just staying within goals for the given space, regardless of whether it is Reddit or Lemmy. Your personal experience will often vary with how aligned you are with the viewpoints of mods, if they engage in heavy viewpoint discrimination.
Yeah, mostly limited to specific instances though.
Like this one.
And world
Why are you still on .world?
I’ll probably migrate eventually. I’ve already changed a few times and it used to be a hassle but apparently it’s not now? But I just haven’t gotten around to it yet lol
No way, reddit mods are insane.
