> be me
> live in a relatively new part of town in the Netherlands
> bike 20 minutes to the city center
> no hills or mountains because netherlands
> See almost no cars because most bike routes are completely seperated and shorter than car routes
> Park my bike in a surveilled parking area funded by the city
> Do all my shopping for the day and return
> MFW my friends and family don’t even realize how good we have it
No hills or mountains is great for biking, but bad for beautiful nature experiences (BNE)
So how easy is it for an American to move to the Netherlands? Asking for myself
If you are skilled labor, yes: https://www.expatica.com/nl/finance/taxes/the-dutch-30-ruling-explained-101641/
But what @abbadon420 said is equally true. Housing market’s fucked beyond belief. Now, if you want to WFH and live out in the sticks, you’d be set.
The Netherlands is less than half the size of my state. There is nowhere in the Netherlands that is more rural than where I live right now, lol.
Eh, there are a few spots that it certainly feels like it, especially the Frisian islands.
You can drive though the Netherlands in 3h, for Americant’s that means there are no sticks.
Drive though the Netherlands in 3h
It takes 1 hour to get from Germany in the east to Belgium in the west.
On a plane maybe
If I can get from Dortmund in Germany to Calais in France in 4,5 - 5 hours (including stopping to fill up), I sure as hell don’t need 3 hours to go across the Netherlands.
I used to drive regularly to Antwerp from Dortmund in a truck and it took between 3,5 and 4 hours.
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Or you’ll need to bring like 500k. No, that’s not a joke.
For a small flat in an older building, surely not for a single house or even semi…
The average price of all sold houses, including the shitty apartments in the middle of nowhere, is 440k
I guess it’s easy enough, but good luck finding a house.
Scooby-Doo and the Case of the Missing Houses
Have fun commuting 30 miles to work on that thing. Especially when there’s 8 or 10 inches of snow, -10 wind-chill, or there’s a thunderstorm rolling in. I’ve seen people do it; they look absolutely fucking miserable and it’s a miracle it doesn’t kill them.
Bruh I will literally just stay home if there is that much snow I’m not fucking stupid
Don’t live in the USA, simple as.
Respect to those folks. A miserable ride is often rewarding because it’s one of those lows that is eminently temporary and gives you an appreciation for the highs, especially if you are dressed appropriately so as not to catch a cold or some such. Kind of like shoveling snow for that sweet sweet mug of hot chocolate on the sofa afterwards. But yeah, also a good city will provide alternative options for its citizens, trains, buses, rideshare even. If a 30 mile bike ride is the only alternative to driving from place A to place B, your government doesn’t want you to have any kind of freedom to choose how you get from place A to place B, if there are no affordable housing options or good job opportunities that change that equation, your government is working on behalf of the big car manufacturers and dealers to keep you enslaved in debt to them, which is pretty fucked up
Enter the saviour of the commuter - trains.
I like trains
That’s when it gets fun no bad weather just bad gear
sees happy person
gets mad
Yeah good luck driving your car through a tornado. I’ve seen it, these people didn’t look happy.
Children in Norway ride their bikes to school every day, even in the snow. Are you saying you’re weaker than these literal children and need your climate controlled box to keep you comfortable? You can also choose to live closer to work if you want. Surprisingly most adults get to choose where they live.
You may have misread the history. The man is having fun with his current commute and he does not seems to be looking for some sort of a change in his routine.
Some corrections:
You may have misread the history. The man is having fun with his current commute and he
isdoes not seemsto be looking for some sort of a change in his routine.Thank you. I’ll change that.
You’re welcome! I hope I didn’t come off as rude.
Nah… don’t worry. I know I never check twice the messages I wrote on social media. They are bound to be full of mistakes. Plus my french autocorrector modifies my english. Still, if I write to be read I should try to be readable (^_^)
This person just wanted to feel clever. Your English is fine and required no corrections to understand because this is a forum not a university essay.
We don’t know that. Maybe he was genuinely trying to help me improve my English, maybe he was genuinely having a hard time reading me bc of my mistakes. Even if it was about being clever there is no point for me or any of us to react with negativity and ruin our mood.
Lets be forgiving. It will make our life better. 🫰
Get a life.
The commenter I replied to is from a French instance. If I were writing in a different language, I would want to know where I’ve made mistakes.
I didn’t ask for your life story.
Actually, in a way, you did! You said “get a life”, which indicates you think I don’t have one. Me giving you information about me shows that I do have one. So now you’re more informed than you were before!
> be me
> be downtown on bicycle
> actual protected bike lanes
> zipping past hundreds of people that decided to drive for some reason
> bumper to bumper traffic
> road capacity literally maxed out
> honking and yelling at almost every intersection
pic related
Road capacity in traffic: basically zero Single bike lane capacity: absolutely massive.
Given that’s a greentext, legitimately expected anon to somehow get injured or killed by some not paying attention driver on unsafe road or something. Glad he didn’t.
Actual unironic gigachad moment
I always wanted to learn how to ride a bike. Always looked like fun.
Do it. I took up cycling last year (although I learned as a kid) and now it’s literally my favourite thing to do ever. I’m also the fittest I’ve ever been.
I wouldn’t even know how to start. And, even though I know it’s silly, I’d be super nervous to try in front of people. I’m fat. They’d laugh at me 🤣
You’re going to do great. Keep the seat low and push with your feet to get the feel of coasting, just like kids learn. Small steps and you’ll be riding in no time. Depending on where you live, see if there are community bike groups you can volunteer at - these are great for learning about bike maintenance, and some places will let you build a bike for yourself from donated stuff for your time. Bike shops are pretty much universally supportive too.
For what it’s worth, I think you already did the hard part by coming here and expressing interest :)
There are videos on youtube that can help. Tom Scott did one where he learns to ride a bike as an adult. He seemed to get the hang of it pretty quickly.
So do it?
Absolutely go do it! Riding a bike is one of the simplest joys in life once you get the hang of it. I live ripping around doing all my errands on it. I have a reasonably nice vehicle but really I only drive in the worst of the winter, or to get out of town to do some activity. In the summer that activity is usually mountain biking, go figure!
Too bad for the lung cancer
People who regularly cycle live longer than people who don’t.
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Pretty cool study. Shame its so small of a sample size, but it shows some very positive signs.
Idk, I used to cycle to work a lot before changing jobs, and I’ve got to tell you, the fumes I felt in my throat were more noticeable than anything I’ve ever experienced in my car. Plus when exercising you simply breathe more.
IDK where you were riding… 10 year cycle courier veteran from Boston here with my own anecdotal experience. This could very well be a personal health thing with you. Never had any issues related to the fumes in my throat, or heard of any related issues within the messenger community. If you told me over time that the fumes have a negative impact on healh I’d believe it, but I probably wouldn’t listen to a commuter who rode a tiny fraction of the urban cycling I’ve done personally. I’d be very interested to see a study on long term bike messengers.
You’re using your personal experiences to validate a broad generalization regarding the effects of air pollution on rates of lung cancer for the population of an entire country; this is wrong. Your sample size is one and your argument is “I felt the fumes in my throat more when cycling then compared to when I was in a car; therefore it must be cancer”. I appreciate that you actually had somewhat of a baseline, but your self experiment essentially tells you that exhaust fumes hurt your throat [full stop].
That just prove how much we are accustomed to the polluted air in our cars, and not to the less but still polluted air outside.
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Wish it was just that easy to use bikes as transport. Everything feels like 1km far away.
1km is basically nothing by bike?
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Maybe, I just lost my sense of size/distance.
Depends on gradient, but yeah
Fair, if you’re commenting 1km at 30%, you’re still going to have a bad morning or a bad afternoon…
Be me
Download Pokemon Go
Start running to work
Gotta catch them all
4 months later run a 50K
“What was your training like?”
“I dunno, run more?”
(true story back in 2022)
Bro pokemon WENT
You might want to check out walkscape to run even more
I couldn’t get into Walkscape, but it’s definitely better for running as you don’t need it open until you’re done.
Big update is coming next month if you want to check it out ;)
I’m trying to figure out, how do we get them to POKÉMON GO TO THE POLLS
I do think it’s funny that America has the worst traffic in the western world, yet in Europe we can get by just fine with roads built by people that even the Romans considered to be ancient.
I mean there has been some work done to those roads in the meantime and it’s not remarkable you chose to build them on the quickest way to go from A to B while keeping construction cost in mind…
It has to be said that people from one place underestimate the other…
In Europe, 100 miles is a long distance.
In America, 100 years is a long time.That’s because Europeans invest in all forms of transport, so you don’t get people who can’t fathom the concept of taking any trip from point A to B in anything other than a car.
Edit: not sure why I’m getting downvoted. I think Europe does it way better if that wasn’t obvious
Would be great if Europe actually invested in all forms of transport. Where I live, the rail system is run into the ground instead of getting maintenance and expansion.
Compared to Canada you guys have it phenomenally good.
Sorry.
Yes, but you have a rail system.
Yeah, but do you dress like a chode and hang out at vitamin shops?
Be American
Living paycheck to paycheck
Need job
Good worker
Work overtime when needed
Trying to pay off car
Smug biker does a driveby near open car window
Rethink my life
Realize U.S. infrastructure often requires vehicles
In middle of daily 40min commute, one way
Realize the same distance on bike would be two hours
Depresso
This is why we need good public transit on top of good biking infrastructure. The two working together let’s you get anywhere a car can go while not taking a lot longer.
You’re not wrong, but that’s not going to work over the entire country. There’s just too much space to cover; the country would go bankrupt trying to provide mass transit everywhere that it’s needed. So while this could be, if you could convince people to actually do it, a solution in urban areas, it’s never going to work out in the thousands of miles of country and they have the exact same problems. They just have less traffic and more empty space to cross.
We didn’t go bankrupt making a car-centric infrastructure, we won’t go bankrupt building adequate mass transit and micromobility infrastructure. In fact, we will probably profit greatly in myriad ways.
Acktually a fair few counties in the US have gone bankrupt building car-centric infrastructure, because it’s ruinously expensive and doesn’t even come close to being covered by the taxation they put on cars. Mass transit and bike infrastructure costs are miniscule in comparison and sometimes even actively gain money.
Micromobility infrastructure lets gooooo!
I just spent a week in Texas in places that had plenty of people living and presumably working close together. The infrastructure is a hellscape of concrete and asphalt and monstrous pickup trucks. It has nothing to do with being a big country and everything to do with culture and policies.
I was specifically addressing people commuting to their job and traveling within their immediate area. That kind of stuff could definitely be covered by biking and better bus/light rail investment without having to go everywhere. The only people who wouldn’t be covered by that are people living in the country and they are a minority compared to those living in suburbs or near big cities and could still be served by public transit using park and ride stations if they have to travel to a bigger city. They would just drive to the closest park and ride station and then use the public transit to travel within the metro area. Of course if they’re traveling entirely within less populated country areas then public transit won’t serve them that well but at that point you can just use cars as a backup. But public transit investments could easily serve the majority of people for their daily travel needs and even if they do have a high cost the economic benefit of making it easier for people to commute to work and to cities for fun day trips will create more economic value over time being a net benefit in the long run.
You realize the US used to have a comprehensive rail network, right?
I miss Japan’s public transport. Never felt like I needed a car while in the city.
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Chill bud. It’s possible to compliment an aspect of a society without going balls deep on the rest of it.
Not hating on the country, just on its white knight fans in the Western world
Yea I get that, plenty of weebs out there that don’t want to acknowledge/don’t care to learn the downsides of Japanese society.
Just working 12 hour days is enough for me to be glad I wasn’t born over there. Great place to vacation though, especially since the yen is dropping so much.
It used to be just weebs, but in the last few years I’ve seen plenty of “normies” (for the lack of a better term) getting into weeb culture, I.e. travelling to Japan for a week, encountering a vending machine that has hot drinks, and from then on basically becoming Japanese ultranationalists in the way they think Japanese culture should be opposed on all others. While knowing basically nothing about it. It’s strange. Especially for an European person.
They missed their chance, now it’s the Chinese 😁
Everyone employed is living paycheck to paycheck; you just spend it all
Some lucky few still get to build up an emergency fund, possibly retire, or even become independently wealthy, but yeah, most of us are working class stiffs.
Get a closer job or move closer to your job if it’s a good reliable job. I did and it’s fucking wonderful! Riding gets easier and easier as you get stronger and better cardio too.
Took me a long time, a lot of work, and some luck but I can’t recommend it enough. Most days I ride my bike or skateboard, but even walking doesn’t take long. I only resort to a car if I’m too injured to ride/skate/walk far or the weather makes it too dangerous (which is rare, I’ve ridden through more storms than I can count lol, icy conditions suck though).
Damnit, now I want to go for a ride.
>just get a job closer to your home
>just moveIdk man, not sure either of those are the easy solutions you’re implying them to be.
Go reread what I posted then because you clearly missed the part where I said it wasn’t easy but worth it.
Me unironically wanting to do this
100F outside most of the year because Florida (that’s 38C for you europoors)
Have to wake up at 4am before sunset to be able to ride at all
work at 9
Can’t into roadbike :(
4am before sunset
4am is technically “before sunset”, but I assume you meant “before sunrise”.
I used to live in central Florida (so not even the benefit of the ocean climate) and I rode my bike everywhere and I lived in a house with no AC. I was young and high all the time, which I guess made being soaked in sweat and stinky all the time bearable. Somehow I still got play from women - apparently I was cute back then and I was hyper-fit, at least. Absolutely no fucking way I could stand that shit now.
It would take me 3 hours to get to work on a bike, and 3 hours home. I’d love to be able to do it, but Vancouver is expensive and I don’t want to waste my free time biking in 30° weather
Where do you live, Chilliwack? Lol. I get it though heat sucks. I’m in Kelowna and bike whenever I can, but I’m not showing up to dinner or a meeting drenched. Errands or casual hangs though sure why not. It is a little less soupy humid here so even 40° isn’t awful as long as you’re moving and have a breeze.
I’d prefer not to specify where exactly I live but you’re close
Ngl, I have a nice ass and legs. Nice compliments, too! It’s worth it to bike everywhere if your city allows it
I forgot to mention that the cost of repairs is also dirt cheap here.
I can’t bicycle anywhere. Well, at least my commute would be certain death, There is a nice bike trail a few miles away but I’d have buy a bike and a rack for my car to haul it over there. Can barely afford the car.
Well, at least my commute would be certain death,
RIDE TO VALHALLA! WITNESS! WITNESSSS!!
Depending on your personal circumstances you might not need a rack. I always just take the front wheel off (quick release) and shove my bike in the back seat
pics or it didn’t happen
I’ll let these babes do the talkin’
🥵
Couldn’t finish reading that disaster of a paragraph. What a fucking loser, “bicyclefag?” Calling people “tards?”
Yeah… fuck that guy.
