The codenames for every major Debian release are named after characters from Pixar’s Toy Story franchise. Debian’s unstable release is fittingly named after Sid, an unstable character from the Toy Story movies.

  • bamboo@lemm.ee
    2·
    2 months ago

    Is gnome that bad? They seem to have been moving away from weird names for many years now.

      • bamboo@lemm.ee
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        2 months ago

        In the branding, but the name of the installed applications in the UI do not contain “gnome”.

        • Fonzie!@ttrpg.network
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          2 months ago

          It’s not just the branding, it’s the actual command.

          Do you want to launch the hardware monitor? gnome-system-monitor. The terminal? gnome-terminal. And so forth.

          Your DE They will give these clearer and easier names to search from the menu, as well as more recognisable icons, but that’s not on Gnome

          Still makes the command slightly more of a PITA

          • FooBarrington@lemmy.world
            2·
            2 months ago

            Do you think DEs just have a huge list of package names to app names, or how do you imagine this would work?

            In reality, it’s of course fully on Gnome, as it’s part of their code. Nobody except for Gnome has anything to do with the name that’s being shown.

            • Captain Aggravated@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              11·
              2 months ago

              Yes, they’re called .desktop files and they’re found in /usr/share/applications.

              On my Linux Mint machine, if I open the Applications menu and go to the Accessories tab, there’s an icon that says “Text Editor.” There is no binary on the machine by that name; it launches Xed.

              When the common name of a package, the actual filename of the executable binary, and the icon title in the App menu are all different, it’s not great.

              • FooBarrington@lemmy.world
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                2 months ago

                No, your Desktop Environment doesn’t have a huge list of package names to app names. It has a list for all your installed packages, but the list entries are part of the packages.

                If your system doesn’t have gnome-system-monitor installed, you won’t have the corresponding .desktop file, because it’s part of the package. It would be incredibly wasteful and unnecessarily complex for your system to get shipped out with .desktop files for all possible applications.

                • Captain Aggravated@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  1·
                  2 months ago

                  Sure. But we don’t just exist in the context of the machine currently in front of us. Beginners might, Wade might, but consider this:

                  I use Linux Mint right now. An “everything but the kitchen sink” kind of distro, GTK3 based, ships with a combination of Gnome’s utility apps and several of Mint’s Xapps. In the App menu, there’s an icon that says “Text Editor.” It launches a program that resembles Notepad but a little better. If I switched to KDE but didn’t like KATE and wanted Mint’s Text Editor, what would I type after sudo apt install to get it? How do you learn that it’s Xed? It doesn’t call itself Xed anywhere in the GUI.

                  What do you think Seahorse does? Either you already know this, or you have to look it up, you’ll never guess what it does from the title. I’ll give you no hint whatsoever: It’s Gnome’s equivalent of Kleopatra.

                  spoiler

                  Those are both credential managers for things like PGP or SSH keys, things like that. Why KDE didn’t call theirs “Keyring” I’ll never understand.

                  There’s so many bad ways to name software, and the Linux ecosystem has tried them all. WINE Is Not Emulation or LAME Ain’t an Mp3 Encoder. I still believe GNU would have a kernel if Stallman had put the effort coming up with HURD/HIRD into writing the actual software. If you had to guess, what does Caja do? We live in a world where Nautilus and Nemo are two versions of the same thing.

                  The various text editors, ranked from best name to worst name: Gedit, Xed, Leafpad, Mousepad, Pluma, KATE. Gedit, it’s from Gnome because of the G, and it’s an editor. Xed contains the same information but you have to have more in-depth prior knowledge, you have to know Mint and their Xapp initiative. Leafpad is better than Mousepad because the latter might be a mouse/cursor configuration utility. Pluma…plume > feather > quill pen > writing > text editor. Wow what a journey. Why would I independently come to the conclusion that KATE stands for KDE Advanced Text Editor? Call it Ktext.

                  I would rather them call it Gedit than gnome-text-editor because they’re willing to put “Gedit” on the title bar of the window, they won’t put “Gnome Text Editor” up there.

                  • FooBarrington@lemmy.world
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                    2 months ago

                    Your Mint/Xed example doesn’t show what you think it does. Mint doesn’t just ship with .desktop entries for a bunch of applications, they are still managed by the respective developers and part of the packages themselves. Mint is also the developer of Xed, so the repository is in their organization, but the .desktop file is still part of the package. If you install Xed on any other distribution, you’ll still get the same .desktop entry, because it’s part of the package.

                    That is all I’ve been talking about. I’m not sure how your reply relates to that, but it would help me if you tell me what you’re arguing against.

            • Fonzie!@ttrpg.network
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              2 months ago

              I did think it worked like that but the package maintainers setting these does make more sense. Thanks for letting me know!

              I also edited my comment to reflect this