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“What I have a problem with is the fact that if you are running for president, you are the de facto leader of your party,” she said. “You are the leader of your party, and if you run for years and years and years and years and years in a row and your party has not grown and you don’t add city council seats and you don’t add down-ballot candidates and you don’t add state electeds, that’s bad leadership.”
“If you have been your party’s nominee for 12 years in a row – four years ago and four years before that and four years before that – and you cannot grow your movement pretty much at all and can’t pursue any successful strategy and all you do is show up once every four years to speak to people who are justifiably pissed off but you’re just showing up once every four years to do that, you’re not serious.”
AOC has a very valid point here.
What’s seriously predatory is pretending your candidate is ‘working tirelessly for a ceasefire’ when in reality they’re actively arming and funding genocide.
That redirection was Stein’s response. AOC’s statement is 100% on point and Stein didn’t have anything to say on it.
Elections are not the time to be “fixing things”. Elections are for deciding on who has the best tools at the moment to fix things once the election is settled. Jill Stein doesn’t have any tools at all (unless you want to be crass and call her and her supporters tools), so all she can do is criticize what the other guys have and hope maybe they’ll get mad enough to drop some at her.
So why do you support genocide?
Agreeing with AOC that Jill Stein is ineffectual at growing the Green Party is supporting genocide?
NO. Not at all.
I was being facetious but the internet don’t let that be do.
I feel that a handful of folks will not allow Lemmy to entertain any space between being liberal and full throating Palestine. Like I have no politics when it comes to Israel and wholly support Palestine’s right to statehood… but that make me genocidal…
I respect the lack of /s, I never use it myself.
Lots of people have been treating Jill like she’s the anti-genocide choice right now without considering her views on the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Without considering the politics at large!
No one is allowed to be liberal if they’re not literally screaming Palestinian slogans non-stop…
If you support a cause you’re still the enemy… If you’re liberal you are against the left…? Wtf?
I wonder how organic it is at times.
A lot of it reminds me of the 4chan chuds co-opting the Bernie bro movement during the 2016 election cycle.
And at that time I kept wondering… who the fuck is a Bernie bro? Was genously perplexed…
They can’t refute anything you just posted, so they slap GeNoCiDe on you and run away.
I hate getting genocide slapped.
AOC has a very valid point here.
Aye, a point not addressed at all by Dr. Jizz Stain as she literally just does exactly what AOC called her out on. The only problem is AOC giving her more attention than she warrants.
I think it’s good to let people know who and what the good doktor truely is.
Oh look, a new name. Is this your third name? I have to admit I’m impressed. It’s been 25 days since you created this account and you are coming up in my feed at 706 posts and 1.24k comments. Assuming you are offline for 8 hours a day that comes to a post or comment every 12 or 13 minutes for nearly a month. You must be exhausted.
Here, let me help you out. Jill Stein is Putin/Trump’s useful idiot and a spoiler candidate.
Now you can just paste in one of your usual replies and keep that comment count rising without wasting any time.
Ah, comrade, your calculations are almost as sharp as the blades of the capitalist machine that grinds down the working class daily. I’m glad that I am so important to you, that you keep statistics about me.
But let me tell you, the fire that burns within me—within all true revolutionaries—never tires, never dims. I speak out relentlessly not because I am exhausted, but because the truth demands to be shouted from the rooftops until the walls of this oppressive system crumble.
As for your tired trope about Jill Stein being a “useful idiot”—it’s a clever little trick, isn’t it?
A diversion meant to scare folks back into the arms of the very duopoly that’s been strangling true democracy for decades.
You cling to the narrative of “spoilers” because you’re terrified—terrified that the people might just wake up and realize there’s a world beyond your two-headed snake, a world where the voices of the oppressed can rise above the din of corporate puppetry.
Keep trying to sow doubt, my friend. It only fuels the revolution further.
I’m glad that I am so important to you, that you keep statistics about me.
To be fair, anyone working as hard as you to get Trump in office again is important to me. But I don’t keep statistics on you. Lemmy does that. All I did was take two seconds to do a calculation.
It’s almost hilarious that you’d accuse a staunch socialist like me of trying to get Trump elected. The absurdity of it all is almost too funny!
But, I have to admit, your relentless effort to sow confusion and distrust towards anyone challenging the capitalist duopoly is starting to make me wonder… maybe you’re the one working for Trump.
After all, you’re doing an awfully good job of trying to keep people locked into the very system that gave us Trump in the first place.
Socialists aren’t good at game theory are they?
I don’t know what that means. I didn’t write the article. If you find problems with it, write to the editor.
We can discuss the article here, thanks, and the overwhelming consensus seems to be that Jill Stein and her supporters are working against their own goals due to the structure of the electoral system. People are commenting on the articles you post making arguments about their basis and merit, and to have a discussion among themselves and you, the poster bringing these ideas.
Now, you’ve retreated to a position of “I just copy articles around so don’t involve me”, which is disingenuous. You are an active participant in choosing and distributing this content.
I posted an article that’s already widely available on a much bigger platform than Lemmy. I didn’t write it or create the content. It’s already out there for anyone to see, so all I did was share it here for discussion. If you disagree with the article itself, that’s fine, but calling for it to be censored or accusing me of pushing an agenda simply because it’s not what you want to read seems misguided. Open debate requires different perspectives, not shutting down content you don’t like.
I’m done wasting my time trying to convince you that I’m not a Republican, that I don’t live in Russia, or that despite posting hundreds of socialist articles to the socialist community, I’m somehow not a socialist. If that’s what you want to believe, fine, go ahead.
If you’re getting worked up over a news article I didn’t even write, that’s on you. Be mad if you want, but it’s not my job to prove anything to you. I’ll share my opinion, and you can take it or leave it. Either way, not my problem.
In the past, when I’ve tried to defend myself, people accuse me of not listening. If I stay quiet, they take it as guilt.
Here’s the deal: I’m still going to post what I want in this community because what I’m posting fits within the theme and guidelines of this community which celebrates diversity of thought and opinion.
So, go ahead and expect me to copy and paste this comment into the many, many arguments you’re going to try and start. Whether you believe me or not, it’s not my job to prove anything to you. I’ll share my opinion, and you can take it or leave it. Not my problem. :)
This is a political news article posted to a political news community, not one exclusively for pro-Harris or strictly pro-Democrat content. If you feel it doesn’t fit the guidelines, feel free to reach out to the mods. They do an awesome job managing this community.
Whatever your goal is, and whatever Stein’s goal is, the result of your, and her, efforts is most likely to be another Trump term and the completion of the Palestinian genocide and possibly the end of the American democracy. Well, I guess that would be the end of the capitalist duopoly you keep raging against. So, yay you, I guess.
So let me get this straight—you think that by daring to challenge the corrupt, entrenched system, by refusing to bow down to the same tired politicians who offer nothing but crumbs to the working class, we’re somehow responsible for the horrors committed by the very system we’re fighting against?
You think it’s our fault if the Democrats, with all their power, can’t muster the courage to stand up to Trump and his ilk? Like, what?! The real danger isn’t in challenging the duopoly; it’s in allowing it to continue unchecked, doing just enough to keep people quiet while the wheels of oppression grind on.
I for candidates like Rachele Fruit of the Socialist Workers Party, who actually fight for the people. If that terrifies you, maybe it’s because deep down, you know that this system can’t hold forever, and real change is coming whether you like it or not.
yes, that staunch socialist that posts “things they might find interesting” in /conservative
So we can only post things to one sub? And only have one interest? And how many posts to conservative?
Uh huh, that’s exactly what I said isn’t it?
I’m done wasting my time trying to convince you that I’m not a Republican, that I don’t live in Russia, or that despite posting hundreds of socialist articles to the socialist community, I’m somehow not a socialist. If that’s what you want to believe, fine, go ahead.
If you’re getting worked up over a news article I didn’t even write, that’s on you. Be mad if you want, but it’s not my job to prove anything to you. I’ll share my opinion, and you can take it or leave it. Either way, not my problem.
You point to your comments and post showing how staunch of a socialist you are but you hand wave your posts to other communities.
Which is it?
Proof or a nothingburger?
You say you want a revolution, well you know…
I’m not sure what that means
Lol, we aren’t scared at all about this nobody party we hear nothing about or from except at the last second in some desperate attempt to claw validity from thin air. We are annoyed we have to put up with this pointless BS that has literally zero chance of success and only serves to help the opposite agenda.
TBH I support their down ballot running everywhere they have a legit chance to win or even seriously impact the Overton window, but her dumb ass running for President at this pointless stage in the game has no chance in hell of either.
It’s funny how a “nobody party” that supposedly poses no threat can stir up so much anger and frustration. The replies and responses to this article suggest that some folks might be more scared than they’re willing to admit.
People don’t get this worked up over something they truly believe is irrelevant.
I’m not even voting for Stein—I’ve shifted my support to Rachele Fruit of the Socialist Workers Party, who aligns more closely with my socialist convictions. But I still support Stein’s fight to break the stranglehold the Democrats and Republicans have on this country.
It’s funny how a “nobody party” that supposedly poses no threat can stir up so much anger and frustration.
It isn’t funny at all, and you know exactly why but tap dance around it in a blatantly obvious attempt to maintain credibility. It isn’t the green party we care about at all. It’s the threat their idiocy increase of a Trump presidency. Were approval voting the method, or electoral college abolished your constant bombardment of this parties every pitiful mention in the news would at worst be simply ignored.
But you know this as dozens of people have said this to you one way or another in your brief, pointless existence on here.
Oh lookee there, a “tap dance” accusation—yet another move to discredit those who dare challenge the two-headed snake of the duopoly. It’s amusing how those who claim to be so unbothered by a “nobody party” spend so much time and energy attacking it.
If the Green Party is as insignificant as you claim, then why the endless hand-wringing? Could it be that deep down, you’re just a bit worried that people might finally be waking up to the stranglehold your precious duopoly has on this so-called democracy?
But you know this as dozens of people have said this to you one way or another in your brief, pointless existence on here.
If my existence here is so “pointless,” it’s curious how riled up you seem to be. And for the record, I’m not even voting for Jill Stein anymore, yet here you are, still fired up. Maybe it’s time to ask yourself why a “pointless” voice bothers you so much.
Do you honestly expect us to care who you ‘claim’ you’re voting for? And thinking this is ‘riled up’ is just another example for others to see of your clear refusal to argue reasonably. Bonus points for continuing to tap-dance around the actual issue by complaining about tap-dancing accusations. Well done.
Wow, it’s almost amusing how desperate you are to protect the duopoly, lashing out with every trick in the book.
Ya know, the fact that you’re so focused on discrediting any challenge to this rotten system makes me wonder if you’re secretly working for Trump or something, trying to keep everyone in line while the two-headed snake continues to strangle the working class.
Your attempts to paint me as unreasonable only reveal how terrified you are of genuine change. Keep playing your game—I’m still not voting for your candidate. Whether you imply my claims are false or not, it won’t change my stance.
they can never win, they can only make other people lose. that’s a pretty shitty raison d’être.
I didn’t write the article and I’m not voting for Stein. You’ll have to bring that up with them.
