In a way this thread is heart-warming. There are so many different people here - liberals, socialists, anarchists, communists, progressives, … - and yet they can all agree on 1 fundamental ethical principle: The absolute sanctity of intellectual property.
Depending on how important these large language models end up being to society, I’d rather everyone be able to freely use copyrighted works to train them, rather than reserve their use solely for the corporations rich enough to pay for the licensing or lucky enough to already have the rights to a trove of source material
OpenAI losing this battle is how we ensure that the only people that can legally train these things are the Microsofts, Googles, and the Adobes of the world so, bizarrely, as much as I think OpenAI has turned into greedy corpo scum, I feel compelled to side with them here
the corporations rich enough to pay for the licensing or lucky enough to already have the rights to a trove of source material
Oh, don’t worry about them. Start-ups can get VC funding to pay for the licenses. Eventually we all pay. The likes of Sam Altman can get rich. The venture capitalists can get rich. All while the heirs of the NYT or Getty empires get richer still. Everyone will be rich. Except us, of course. It’s very ethical. We all want ethical AI and that means capitalist AI.
Now, now, let’s not get hung upon our differences. We all took different journeys to get here. The important thing is that we all agree now that property owners are entitled to a share of the money that other people make with their labor. Obviously only intellectual property owners. I’m sure those filthy landlords are still parasites. It’s not like apartments can be copied at almost 0 cost.
In a way this thread is heart-warming. There are so many different people here - liberals, socialists, anarchists, communists, progressives, … - and yet they can all agree on 1 fundamental ethical principle: The absolute sanctity of intellectual property.
Depending on how important these large language models end up being to society, I’d rather everyone be able to freely use copyrighted works to train them, rather than reserve their use solely for the corporations rich enough to pay for the licensing or lucky enough to already have the rights to a trove of source material
OpenAI losing this battle is how we ensure that the only people that can legally train these things are the Microsofts, Googles, and the Adobes of the world so, bizarrely, as much as I think OpenAI has turned into greedy corpo scum, I feel compelled to side with them here
Oh, don’t worry about them. Start-ups can get VC funding to pay for the licenses. Eventually we all pay. The likes of Sam Altman can get rich. The venture capitalists can get rich. All while the heirs of the NYT or Getty empires get richer still. Everyone will be rich. Except us, of course. It’s very ethical. We all want ethical AI and that means capitalist AI.
The way I see it, creatives lose no matter what here, so they can either lose and only the corpos benefit, or they can lose and everyone benefits
More of “you don’t get to profit off violating it and act like you’re better than a dude selling burned DVDs”
Now, now, let’s not get hung upon our differences. We all took different journeys to get here. The important thing is that we all agree now that property owners are entitled to a share of the money that other people make with their labor. Obviously only intellectual property owners. I’m sure those filthy landlords are still parasites. It’s not like apartments can be copied at almost 0 cost.