• carl_marks[use name]@lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    time to mature

    You mean “time to become stronger” i.e. prepare for war and not implement minsk II (why would you want to “become stronger” if not prepare for war; it’s in contradiction with implementing minsk)

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        2 months ago

        FYI I got some lightly used straws for sale if you need more of them to grasp at

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        2 months ago

        Sie hat diese Zeit hat auch genutzt, um stärker zu werden, wie man heute sieht.

        It [Ukraine] also used this time to become stronger, as we can see today.

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          They also used the time to become stronger. But that was not the goal of Minsk.

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            They also used the time to become stronger. But that was not the goal of Minsk.

            Yea it was to bring peace. Why would you want “to become stronger”, when part of the peace agreement was to become a buffer zone to NATO? Why else would the Russians else have signed it? How do you explain that with Merkel saying that it was just to buy time? Wouldn’t the Russians feel betrayed/played if it wasn’t implemented for peace, but just to stall them?

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              I did not get your point. Even with a treaty in place, why would Ukraine not trying to become stronger with the Russian threat? Again, Merkel says quite clearly IMHO that it was for not escalating the conflict to get to peace, possibly then integrating Ukraine in the EU or NATO.

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                Even with a treaty in place, why would Ukraine not trying to become stronger with the Russian threat?

                Because “getting stronger” in this context means militarily. Why would you want to bolster your military, when the Minsk treaty guarantees safety from russia? Not implementing the treaty and continued prospect of joining NATO, bolstering Ukraines military antagonized Russia, as they saw that the Minsk agreement got ignored. Merkel admitting that it was just to buy time, proved the Russians right.

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          She said that they used the time to become stronger, not that this was the goal of Minsk. You are either reading into it what you want it to mean or you are repeating Russian propaganda.