If I said a movie was a 7/10, you would understand what that means because it’s a scale. You don’t have to “grow up” using a 0-10 scale to understand it.
Like if I asked you to rate something on a scale of 4-17, you’d understand what I mean. The numbers are different but the concept of a scale remains the same.
But to understand “x out of a possible y” you have to understand scales, or at least percentages which is the same concept. Then, if you understand percentages, you understand fahrenheit.
Honestly more places should do what the U.S. does and just teach both (and Kelvin). Because ultimately there isn’t one perfect system of measurement for every possible application. Celsius is of course better in lab settings, Fahrenheit is better for cooking and meteorology.
Honestly, I thought I’d deleted that comment before you replied. I’d broken my promise to myself of never commenting in the celsius/fahrenheit threads.
I understand. Tbh, I usually try to stay out of arguments too, but the fahrenheit debate is pretty low-stakes and kinda fun sometimes so I figured I’d jump in.
if I knew that you are a european and you told me a movie was 5/10, i would assume it was average. if i knew you were American, i would assume it was dogshit.
Americans have a weird relationship with numbers.
also, as mentioned in another post: if 0 is too cold and 100 is too hot, surely 50 would be a pleasant temperature?
“Americans” ah, I see. You don’t actually care about effective systems of measurement, you just want to shit on people that are different from you.
Also, as answered in another post:
Why would you assume that humans, an endothermic species, prefers exactly 50% thermal energy? Of course we sit around the 70F region, we’re warm-blooded mammals. We don’t want to be half cold, we want to be mostly warm.
No matter how much you complain or argue, it’s never going to be true that Celsius is the one-and-only most perfect system of temperature measurement. The fact is that both systems have their applications, as any intelligent member of the scientific community would tell you.
considering america is the only place that uses it, i can’t really find any other factor to use.
the point of a temperature scale is to quantify temperature as to ease its communication. if one player is using a different scale that’s just complicating things.
also, if its an “intuitive” scale, surely it should take human bias into account?
Really not. Basically, you just need to peg feelings to a number, just like you are doing.
Celsius:
below -20 = deadly even with good gear, you can’t spend long here
-15 = very dangerous / deadly
-10 = starting to get dangerous
-5 = starting to get uncomfortable
0 = very cold
5 = cold
10 = a little cold
15 = cool
20 = nice
25 = warm
30 = hot
35 = starting to get uncomfortable
40 = starting to get dangerous
45 = very dangerous / deadly
50+ = deadly even with good gear, you can’t spend long here
Also, that’s a lot of explaining, and lots of feelings associated with arbitrary numbers. Fahrenheit doesn’t need anywhere near that level of explanation. It doesn’t necessitate the pegging of feelings to random numbers.
The sentence “Fahrenheit is a 0-100 scale of how hot it is outside” is all anyone needs to immediately understand and be able to use fahrenheit. I didn’t need to type out a long list of what each temperature value means to me. There is no need for a mneumonic such as “10 is cold, 20s not, 30s warm, and 40s hot”
If you’re doing math in a lab, absolutely use Celsius. I’m not saying it doesn’t have a place. It’s just not the be-all end-all most perfectest temperature measurement system ever.
I think you are projecting your feeling onto others; I don’t have “a mneumonic” in my head. That was for your benefit, since you are not immersed in that scale.
When I see the weather report and it says tomorrow it is going to be 25 degrees with light wind, I know that it will be a pleasant day. The same way I know what the reporter is saying, I have been immersed in the English language since birth, it requires no though to understand the words they are saying.
It requires no thought to understand that 25 degrees and light wind is a nice day. It just is.
I don’t have that intuitive sense for the F scale, I always have to convert it to a sensible number. I know 100 is around 37, which is really hot.
But it requires you to be familiar with an arbitrary -20 - 40 scale. Which makes way less sense than a 0-100 scale.
I don’t need to use the mnemonic either, I grew up in the U.S. so I understand both systems perfectly well. But the mnemonic exists because Celsius uses an inherently less sensible scale. You only understand it internally because you grew up with it.
A person who grew up with neither system would find fahrenheit easier to understand from an unbiased position because it’s more logical.
But it requires you to be familiar with an arbitrary -20 - 40 scale. Which makes way less sense than a 0-100 scale.
Your 0-100 scale is just as arbitrary, in fact even more, since it doesn’t even cover the daily temperatures huge parts of the global population lives in.
deg C is no more arbitrary than deg F; any more than French is more arbitrary than English.
It is a strange argument to say “You only understand it internally because you grew up with it.”; well yes, but that is exactly the same with the deg F scale.
A person who grew up with neither system would find fahrenheit easier to understand from an unbiased position because it’s more logical.
In your opinion.
In my opinion it is far more logical to base you temperature scale on repeatable physical measurements, than say what a person feels.
0 C = water freezes
0 F =
Several accounts of how he originally defined his scale exist, but the original paper suggests the lower defining point, 0 °F, was established as the freezing temperature of a solution of brine made from a mixture of water, ice, and ammonium chloride (a salt)
100 C = water boils
100 F = best estimate for average human body temperature.
Okay yeah you’re totally right Celsius is the most perfectest and wonderful system of temperature measurement and it can do everything and it’s magical and perfect for every single application ever.
Sure, bud.
Also “repeatable physical measurements”
I think I found your problem. You seem to think that a fahrenheit thermometer will display a different temperature each time something is measured, even if the temperature has not changed. Allow me to clarify for you: if you measure something at a constant temperature more than once with a fahrenheit thermometer, the thermometer will display the same value each time, just like Celsius. I can see how that misconception could’ve led to your confusion, I’m glad I could help you to understand better. Let me know if you need anything else explained to you.
Of course the last bastion of the failed debate, a poor attempt to dismiss the oppositions’ arguments as logical fallacies. The only problem is you clearly have no idea what either of those logical fallacies are. Didn’t even mention reductio ad absurdum.
It’s ridiculous that you’re actually here arguing that there’s absolutely no place in modern science for the fahrenheit system of measurement. What a backwards, preposterous stance to take. Your small-mindedness will not serve you.
It is pretty funny how you keep claiming “fahrenheit is the best system for human temperature” countless times. Celsius users then question that, though without claiming celsius is better, it is just something we are used to.
And then you get all pissy and strawman celsius users as saying the exact thing you have been claiming about fahrenheit this entire thread.
Um. No.
If I said a movie was a 7/10, you would understand what that means because it’s a scale. You don’t have to “grow up” using a 0-10 scale to understand it.
Like if I asked you to rate something on a scale of 4-17, you’d understand what I mean. The numbers are different but the concept of a scale remains the same.
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But to understand “x out of a possible y” you have to understand scales, or at least percentages which is the same concept. Then, if you understand percentages, you understand fahrenheit.
Honestly more places should do what the U.S. does and just teach both (and Kelvin). Because ultimately there isn’t one perfect system of measurement for every possible application. Celsius is of course better in lab settings, Fahrenheit is better for cooking and meteorology.
Honestly, I thought I’d deleted that comment before you replied. I’d broken my promise to myself of never commenting in the celsius/fahrenheit threads.
I understand. Tbh, I usually try to stay out of arguments too, but the fahrenheit debate is pretty low-stakes and kinda fun sometimes so I figured I’d jump in.
if I knew that you are a european and you told me a movie was 5/10, i would assume it was average. if i knew you were American, i would assume it was dogshit.
Americans have a weird relationship with numbers.
also, as mentioned in another post: if 0 is too cold and 100 is too hot, surely 50 would be a pleasant temperature?
Dear god, is Fahrenheit the reason behind meaningless movie ratings? Another reason to hate it…
“Americans” ah, I see. You don’t actually care about effective systems of measurement, you just want to shit on people that are different from you.
Also, as answered in another post: Why would you assume that humans, an endothermic species, prefers exactly 50% thermal energy? Of course we sit around the 70F region, we’re warm-blooded mammals. We don’t want to be half cold, we want to be mostly warm.
No matter how much you complain or argue, it’s never going to be true that Celsius is the one-and-only most perfect system of temperature measurement. The fact is that both systems have their applications, as any intelligent member of the scientific community would tell you.
Get over it.
considering america is the only place that uses it, i can’t really find any other factor to use.
the point of a temperature scale is to quantify temperature as to ease its communication. if one player is using a different scale that’s just complicating things.
also, if its an “intuitive” scale, surely it should take human bias into account?
Really not. Basically, you just need to peg feelings to a number, just like you are doing.
Celsius:
below -20 = deadly even with good gear, you can’t spend long here
-15 = very dangerous / deadly
-10 = starting to get dangerous
-5 = starting to get uncomfortable
0 = very cold
5 = cold
10 = a little cold
15 = cool
20 = nice
25 = warm
30 = hot
35 = starting to get uncomfortable
40 = starting to get dangerous
45 = very dangerous / deadly
50+ = deadly even with good gear, you can’t spend long here
I don’t think you understand what I said.
Also, that’s a lot of explaining, and lots of feelings associated with arbitrary numbers. Fahrenheit doesn’t need anywhere near that level of explanation. It doesn’t necessitate the pegging of feelings to random numbers.
The sentence “Fahrenheit is a 0-100 scale of how hot it is outside” is all anyone needs to immediately understand and be able to use fahrenheit. I didn’t need to type out a long list of what each temperature value means to me. There is no need for a mneumonic such as “10 is cold, 20s not, 30s warm, and 40s hot”
If you’re doing math in a lab, absolutely use Celsius. I’m not saying it doesn’t have a place. It’s just not the be-all end-all most perfectest temperature measurement system ever.
I think you are projecting your feeling onto others; I don’t have “a mneumonic” in my head. That was for your benefit, since you are not immersed in that scale.
When I see the weather report and it says tomorrow it is going to be 25 degrees with light wind, I know that it will be a pleasant day. The same way I know what the reporter is saying, I have been immersed in the English language since birth, it requires no though to understand the words they are saying.
It requires no thought to understand that 25 degrees and light wind is a nice day. It just is.
I don’t have that intuitive sense for the F scale, I always have to convert it to a sensible number. I know 100 is around 37, which is really hot.
But it requires you to be familiar with an arbitrary -20 - 40 scale. Which makes way less sense than a 0-100 scale.
I don’t need to use the mnemonic either, I grew up in the U.S. so I understand both systems perfectly well. But the mnemonic exists because Celsius uses an inherently less sensible scale. You only understand it internally because you grew up with it. A person who grew up with neither system would find fahrenheit easier to understand from an unbiased position because it’s more logical.
Your 0-100 scale is just as arbitrary, in fact even more, since it doesn’t even cover the daily temperatures huge parts of the global population lives in.
deg C is no more arbitrary than deg F; any more than French is more arbitrary than English.
It is a strange argument to say “You only understand it internally because you grew up with it.”; well yes, but that is exactly the same with the deg F scale.
In your opinion.
In my opinion it is far more logical to base you temperature scale on repeatable physical measurements, than say what a person feels.
0 C = water freezes
0 F =
100 C = water boils
100 F = best estimate for average human body temperature.
The F scale is not built on logic.
Okay yeah you’re totally right Celsius is the most perfectest and wonderful system of temperature measurement and it can do everything and it’s magical and perfect for every single application ever.
Sure, bud.
Also “repeatable physical measurements” I think I found your problem. You seem to think that a fahrenheit thermometer will display a different temperature each time something is measured, even if the temperature has not changed. Allow me to clarify for you: if you measure something at a constant temperature more than once with a fahrenheit thermometer, the thermometer will display the same value each time, just like Celsius. I can see how that misconception could’ve led to your confusion, I’m glad I could help you to understand better. Let me know if you need anything else explained to you.
Of course the last bastion of the failed debate; ad hominem and straw man.
Have a fine day.
Of course the last bastion of the failed debate, a poor attempt to dismiss the oppositions’ arguments as logical fallacies. The only problem is you clearly have no idea what either of those logical fallacies are. Didn’t even mention reductio ad absurdum.
It’s ridiculous that you’re actually here arguing that there’s absolutely no place in modern science for the fahrenheit system of measurement. What a backwards, preposterous stance to take. Your small-mindedness will not serve you.
It is pretty funny how you keep claiming “fahrenheit is the best system for human temperature” countless times. Celsius users then question that, though without claiming celsius is better, it is just something we are used to.
And then you get all pissy and strawman celsius users as saying the exact thing you have been claiming about fahrenheit this entire thread.