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      This is the trolley problem. There are people on the track who will die if you don’t pull the lever. You stand and watch them die and declare, “I didn’t put the train on the track. It’s not my fault.”

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        Nope, you cannot blame someone for something they didn’t do

        I live in California, if I don’t vote it doesn’t support Trump at all, the electoral votes go onto the Democrats if I vote for them, vote for Trump, or write in SpongeBob, it doesn’t fucking matter

        If you live in a swing state then your point stands better, but I’m so fucking sick of this authoritarian “idgaf where you are if you didn’t vote exactly how I want you to then I’ll be a real pissy bitch about it” shit because I don’t like to vote in line with authoritarians

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          There was no retribution in the meme. Only that the person would be remembered for their lack of action.

          What would you think of me if I saw your house catch fire and instead of calling the fire department, I watched your pets burn to death?

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            There was no retribution in the meme

            Cute that you want to pretend that “well remember this false thing about you” isn’t an implicit threat

            What would you think of me if I saw your house catch fire and instead of calling the fire department, I watched your pets burn to death?

            Not a very good hypothetical as you can actually do something there

            Its cute how hard youll grasp for a reason to justify the authoritarianism though. Gross, but cute

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              It’s not false. Through inaction they allowed something bad to happen. You want to have it both ways.

              Not a very good hypothetical as you can actually do something there

              As if you can’t vote?

              Even if you are in solid Blue State, an overwhelming majority against Trump will send a message to the next fascist attempt.

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                Through inaction they allowed something bad to happen

                Again, only if they live somewhere their vote matters. Very simple idea you’re having a shockingly hard time grasping.

                As if you can’t vote?

                If. Their. Vote. Matters.

                Even if you are in solid Blue State, an overwhelming majority against Trump will send a message to the next fascist attempt

                Lol, no it doesn’t. Nice attempt at a goalpost move, btw, but it won’t work

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                  If you are in a Blue State, it’s only Blue because others voted.

                  Your attitude is, “Someone else will call the fire department. I’ll stand here and watch the house burn.”

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                    Duh? That means the democrats don’t need my vote to win here, because others are doing so

                    That means I can’t possibly be responsible for their loss if I don’t vote for them as they didn’t need me. So that would mean if they lose this state then they’ve managed to lose the people who were already going to support them, yeah?

                    My attitude is “someone else has already called the fire department, were good”

                    I can freely vote however I want safe in the knowledge that the registered Democrats will do their blue no matter who shit and keep the state blue. If they don’t, that’s objectively not my fault, and would be absolutely wild to see CA do THIS of all elections

                    This all said to back up my original point that saying someone who doesn’t vote for Harris is de facto a Trump supporter is stupid and likely untrue

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        You forgot some parts. The bystander being asked to pull the lever will enable a genocide by pulling it, and those rich people stuck on the tracks could pull a policy lever and save themselves but they refused to because someone offered them a bribe not to.

        The rich people stuck on the track just want to play the vicitm when they also set up the whole scenario in the fist place by doing crazy stuff. So they crybully about it, and pretend to be victims of the scenario that they themselves created. I’d suggest they save themselves and stop doing stupid stuff. If we save them, how will they learn?

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          The bystander being asked to pull the lever will enable a genocide by pulling it

          That statement shows you are a Trump supporter just like the meme claimed. Trump has committed to the extermination of Palestinians and even said he would deny any refugees.

          The Trolley problem has 1 person on one track and 5 on the other. There’s a huge difference between Trump and Harris’s statements on Palestine.

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            Harris can pull her own lever anytime she wants, and that lever is to stop the weapons shipments. She then earns enough progressive votes to win, saving everyone, instead of looking for all the Dem voters to save her while she supports a far right war thats costing her a lot of votes.

            How you get that I am a trump supporter from what I said is hard to imagine. But I think you’re just making it up to have something … anything, to attack with.

            You need to work on your metaphors, and your basic reasoning, and your rhetoric. If you are going to call people names at least make it interesting and consistent with reality. Otherwise you are just boring.

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              Harris can pull her own lever anytime she wants

              Harris isn’t President!

              Trump has called for the extermination of all of Palestine.

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                Doesnt matter. She’s in charge of a campaign that we arent sure is winning. If she wants to make sure she will win, drop the weapons shipments and she gets progressive votes. Progressives want to vote for her.

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                  It doesn’t matter that she is legally unable to stop weapon shipments? Wtf?

                  How about I blame you for Palestine? Why haven’t you stopped weapon shipments? It’s your fault. You should be fired from your job for your genocidal inaction. It doesn’t matter that your job can’t do anything about it. It’s your fault.

                  But more seriously, you want Palestine exterminated. Because that’s the alternative. Trump has said he wants Israel to finish the job and will not give refuge to any Palestinians attempting to flee extermination. You want that.

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                    You lack imagination because you are comortable doing what you are told, which in your case is probably best. I want to pressure Kamala to change her stance because she is desperate to win. If she is backed into a corner enough, I bet she changes it. She’s already scraping the bottom of the barrel sucking up to gun nuts.