Windows 10 on the same level as ME and Vista?.. And worse than 8 with that fucking Metro UI?
Ok. Ok…oh…kay.
Look I like Linux and want to eventually abandon windows for it, but this is just mindless circle jerking here
This meme says:
- windows 8 somehow is more beloved than Windows 10 (lmao)
- linux is just one single OS, instead of an agglomerate of hundreds of distributions
- and implies that every single one of them got better with time (lmao)
Tell me you’re new here without saying you’re new.
Linux is so bad it’s worse than everything else even when others are enshittifying aggressively? Got it!
Over the years I’ve tried switching to Linux and it definitely was less user friendly. I think Mint has made huge strides and hopefully will be able to take over.
I tried Ubuntu in 2015 or so, and Mint in 2018, and quit both times. Now i’ve been using Mint since last July.
I don’t know if it’s because Linux changed or i changed, but one way or another something clicked. I’m planning on switching entirely to Mint before Win10 reaches end of life because there’s no way i’m installing Win11, so i have to migrate my whole workflow by then.
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Very good, I’m happy to see you’re learning new stuff!
10 was way way better than 8 though.
The colouring is shit, MacOS turns red at its peak. So, was it good or bad at that moment?
It was the best of OS, it was the worst of OS.
Made in China moment.
Red is good in the east, green is bad.
So good, it’s bad
Yeah, and Linux is green all the way through, even though according to the depicted MacOS scale it should only be hitting bright yellow levels at the peak.
The only thing I disagree with here is Win8 being apparently better than Win10.
Win8 was really damn annoying to use without a touchscreen, and while Win8.1 did help, Win10 was by far the better implementation of PC Metro IMO.
Having said that, Win11 is exactly where it needs to be. It’s all of Win10’s worst traits cranked up to 11 with a heaping of it’s own bullshit and spyware on top
Win8 was really damn annoying to use without a touchscreen
So many people say that but I actually liked the menu. It opened very fast and you could far more quickly find and hit the right tile than that stupid nested programs tree that was the norm in the start menus of earlier Windows versions.
I’d say considering that telemetry started to creep in primarily with Win 10, 8 was indeed better (meaning less bad).
Personally, I felt like Win8 was an over correction in favor of touch screens vs Win7. Win8.1 was kind of the sweet spot for getting touch screen functionality into Windows while maintaining a consistent UI between tablets, laptops, and desktops. So much so that I would consider it to be separate point on the chart between 8 and 10.
Win10 did improve the UI a bit over that, but was so much of a step backwards in basically every other regard that I do consider that the point at which Windows started trending consistently downwards. As in, Win10 should be lower then Win7 on that curve, with Win11 lower than that, and no real hope that any future updates or versions will ever improve anything.
Windows 10 should be a dead cat bounce on this chart. Better than 8, worse than 7, better than 11 by a lot.
Windows 10 is good, so I don’t trust the rest of this now.
I would put win8 lower and win10 as a slight rise but not up to win 7 territory and then plummet. osx should plummet with the iosification of it.
What’s so bad about win 11 as an OS? For me it’s the most stable windows. Of course the MS crap they want you to include is bs, but that’s not really the OS
Rule of thumb: If it’s included with an install where you’re clicking through the defaults, to the average user the distinction doesn’t matter, it’s part of the OS
Also the problem with not being able to deactivate the things properly. See my other comment, I changed my mind, win 11 is shit. But I don’t think it’s much worse than 10.
It’s part of the OS? All of the telemetry, ads, and strange news thingy is a standard part of the OS - if you try to remove it, it’ll just get back with any updates.
So it is really the OS
it’s the same way ubuntu bad now, forcing snaps
Ok fair. I think win 11 is pretty solid in terms of performance, stability and ui (as long as you have the win11 ui and not 10/7/xp legacy things). But other parts of the OS still make it shit.
Why is Linux on there? What sense does it make to compare a kernel with an entire system?
Android is Linux. Raspberry OS is Linux. Caldera Open Linux is Linux. Ubuntu is Linux. Debian is Linux. etc.
My experience: Linux is really good on mobile devices (Android). It is really good for affordable hobby projects (RaspberryOS). There are hardly any alternatives on servers and super computers. On my Laptop and my Desktop PC I prefer Windows. Macs are too expensive and Linux tends to be shit there whenever your hardware is brand new and that’s exactly when you want to install the OS.
You’re speaking to a wall on this community
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I think 11 is pretty great from a technical standpoint. The only real issue I have is modern standby…I miss having laptops that actually go to sleep and aren’t dead a day later. But that’s a fight I’ve given up on.
Now…the ads, MS accounts requirements, tracking and telemetry, the pre-installed bloat like News (a glorified clickbait aggregator), Movies and TV, Office, etc. make what is technically fine into a garbage experience.
Used to be able to create a list of file path shortcuts that are visible when you right click the file explorer icon pinned to the taskbar. The shortcuts I made in a previous version of windows are still present and functional. But it can’t add new ones. Best it can do is add another file explorer icon for each new shortcut.
You can still drag excel files to an Excel icon pinned to the taskbar, and it adds them to the single list of individual Excel files “pinned” to Excel.
It just doesn’t let you add shortcuts to the pinned file explorer icon anymore. I had a whole workflow based on being able to quickly and easily access a handful of commonly used folders and ms office files. Makes no sense to remove useful functions that already worked.
Afaik you can still download tools to revert to win10 taskbar. Not that I disagree it’s super dumb, I didn’t update for a long time due to the force merged taskbar icons. If I wanted to use gnome I’d use gnome. I want my 27 inches of real estate used, not to dick around with animations.
I would rather describe Windows as a dampened oscillation with an undefined steady state.
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Dude, I am all for people trying and stuff.
I can tell that you are just starting out in the graph game, and that is cool and all. But compare to OP yours looks terrible. I’m not trying to be mean, I’m just trying to save you from the embarrassment.
Take another look at OPs graph and pay attendtion to the different thickness in the lines and the unpredictable curves.
I don’t think people got the sarcasm :(
Wait, did you write an actual function for that graph?
Yes
The Windows function is
cos(pix) + 1The Linux function is
0.05x^2 - 1/2 cos(pix)
10 and 11 are waaaaaaaay better than 8. But meme is meme.
The software I run a 8 figure business with only works in windows and macs. Not a specific title but the software for an entire industry. Linux is nice but still a novelty in my world.
Same. Until Linux is supported by scada systems it will only be a service, non-hmi OS, in my world.
The sad part is a lot of modern SCADAs and DCSs are migrating or have already migrated to HTML, but using Microsoft technologies as core. 🤦♂️
What software is that? Is it something with a really heavy desktop client by nature (e.g CAD, video editing), or could it instead have a browser-based frontend?
Yes, CAD/CAM stuff like Catia, SW, mastercam, etc. It will take a lot of market share improvements to convince the developers to bother with a port. I’m no M$ fanboy, just no real production alternative.
I really wish SW ran on Linux. That would get me to switch over entirely.
you can run sw 2022 and 2023 in some distros. https://github.com/cryinkfly/SOLIDWORKS-for-Linux
doesn’t work in mint tho, i tried.
How good does it run in the supported distros?
no idea, i can’t get any other distros to work properly
So much grief caused by the widespread move from Unix to Windows in the industry sector. The Unix dwarves grew too greedy, their hardware platforms too niche… they unleashed the beast from the depths. An IBM-PC so powerful, it quashed their empires!
I reckon they might be using a lot of Windows specific libraries, making any porting a real pain in the ass. And when you’re in that space, unfortunately people just have to choose the OS that goes with their applications, not the other way around.
It’s literally easier to start an entirely new CAD/CAM project and make that cross-platform. Unfortunately, that’s a 7 or 8 figure proposition to get started as well (probably 8 for a polished product that can pull proper market share).
Maybe out of the box, but with classicshell 8 was better
my dad genuinely preferred Windows 8 with Classic Shell over Windows 7.
Are you implying that macOS is the best OS, because its arrow is the highest in the graph?
3 different graphs. You should superimpose them to read it right.
Plus why are there no milestones labeled , yet the line has an inflection point so obviously the author has an opinion.
Any idea why MacOSX would trend down recently? I’ve had no objections nor have I heard any. Of course I’m probably in a fanboi echo chamber so could easily have missed someone raining on that parade
