starting out with an unpopular opinion: of all the centralized social media platforms, Facebook was always my favorite.
Why? it is the most full featured. Has threads, reactions, groups, “Pages”, polls, and it even has granular privacy controls (for hiding content from other users, not to be confused with Facebook’s privacy violations and commercial data use).
This makes me wonder, could we have a Facebook-like experience using Lemmy as a backend? similar to how lemmy has a phpBB experience using lemmyBB.
Lemmy already has threads, and communities can represent groups. Pages and user pages can be simulated with communities.
We would be missing polls and reactions, which I can live with. I am not at all mad that we would be missing content algorithms either.
Although we can’t make it identical to Facebook, I think it will get reasonably close and exemplify most of the good parts.
I am thinking to take this project on, but wondering if people have thoughts, if this already exists, or if people would even want to use this.
Yeah but Lemmy is a link aggregator with social media elements like comments and “likes”, it’s more post based than people based, you can’t follow users for example etc, there are fediverse equivalents of Facebook like diaspora or friendica, even mastodon is more people people oriented than Lemmy
Following users can be simulated by the client. Behind the scenes, every user will have their own community, and their personal posts will go there. If you follow the user, the client would make you follow that community behind the scenes.
But I suppose you would need to prevent other users from being able to post there, I did not consider that. Lemmy does not have that kind of permission control. So maybe this is not viable … hmm
There’s no benefit to trying to be clever with this by manipulating something not fit to task when there is already an existing solution.
Just use one of the Fediverse Facebook alternatives if you want a Fediverse version of Facebook.
The argument that I want to test is that Lemmy is as up to this task as LemmyBB being a phpBB experience but with a lemmy backend. I am proposing something like that.
The reason not to go with the other alternatives is that lemmy seems to do much better on resource utilization, which would make it much easier to host and scale.
Hi! Pseudo here, back with my Piefed account. I just realised you have access to Guppe groupe from the twittoverse with Piefed. Many there is something to look here about have FB-style group and FB-style pages.
But I don’t now much about FB or ActivityPub to be sure.Thanks for reminding me to set my avatar and banner
Diaspora has been a federated Facebook, there was a point in time when it peaked and after Mastodon and later Lemmy came out, it’s a ghosttown. Looks like people didn’t need a federated Facebook after all.
The thing with Facebook that made it special might also have been who was there. It was and for some people maybe still is a mass adopted platform with your whole extended community within reach. It didn’t have polls or reactions for most of the time I used it; that’s not what made it compelling.
There are a ton of existing fediverse platforms, includ8ng some that aim to be more facebook-type and your energy is probably more valuable if you contribute to one of those rather than striking out on your own.
I think Lemmy is in many ways at the opposite end from Facebook because it is more of a hive mind whereas Facebook was highly individualized. Like I don’t think you can be friends or even follow another account on lemmy?. That’s like the most important Facebook relationship. Even mastodon would be closer I think.
If you want to recreate Facebook you’ll need to ask the people you valued the most what it would take for them to use a novel open source platform.
I thought friendica was the Facebook mockup not lemmy?
You’re right that lemmy never intended to be a Facebook mock-up (and I hope my post did not seem to allude to that), but I was wondering if it could be made to be so by changing only the client but keeping the rest intact.
My limited knowledge makes me think that lemmy is easier to host, consuming less resources in general, hence why I want to consider it first. But I could be wrong.
Lemmy is easier to host specifically for the reasons that it wouldn’t make a good Facebook alternative. Hosting what is mainly text content and links is pretty lightweight.
What I am proposing would use the same exact lemmy backend. How would it magically use more resources with the same backend?
What you said is incorrect, the difference in features offered is not the only reason for the difference in resource utilization. Lemmy meme communities have plenty of images going around.
Ok, so now you’re looking at Lemmy plus Pictrs (I think that’s the image hosting software most instances use on the backend, but I might have the name wrong).
If you also want video support loke Facebook, that’s an additional load on the server for whatever you use. Probably piped?
Maybe all of that together is still lighter weight than Friendica. I’d be surprised but it’s possible.
So far we both seem to be going off of gut feelings and anecdotes, so if you (or anyone) has harder numbers that would be neat.
Then there’s the workload of the modifications to the code, especially what would be needed to manage potentially nuanced visibility settings for each piece of uploaded content. That would mean that you wouldn’t only need to mess with Lemmy, but how each of the other services work as well.
And then how do you manage federation while ensuring the visibility settings are kept?
By the time you would have a proof of concept that had the basic features down, it would be significantly diverged from Lemmy anyway.
You mention LemmyBB in your other response. I wasn’t aware of it before, but an “old school” forum is significantly more similar in function to Reddit/Lemmy than Facebook is. It’s just Reddit/Lemmy without nested comment replies, so everything is a top level comment (or displayed as one) in chronological order. Plus upvote/downvotes wouldn’t need to be displayed.
None of this makes what you’re suggesting impossible, but you’ve got many additional layers of complexity right out of the gate compared to just using what already exists for the job at a resource efficiency hit.
Would it truly not just be simpler to work on improving Friendica’s efficiency rather than rebuilding the wheel using layer upon layer of leaky abstractions and approximations?
If anything, I think an MBin client would be a better target for that approach
My issue with MBin is similar to that of Friendica. It’s more expensive to self-host. Lemmy scales better.
Doesn’t change the fact that Lemmy doesn’t fit the Facebook approach.
I thought Friendica scaled well.
You could try to do this with Lemmy, but with only the features lemmy already offer.
You could also check piefed
My claim is admittedly not based on trying it myself. I suppose I should test out friendica and see for myself.
