If you need to be there at a specific time, be professional and be there. If other workers are depending on you to be there, be there. Being tardy just ‘cause, is pretty pathetic. In an ideal world, none of us would have to work. But we do, so show up.
If you are interacting with people or have meetings, sure, promptness is important and polite.
If you are doing design work, or coding, or data driven jobs where you don’t really interact with anyone and just work for 8 hours, then who gives a shit if you work from 8-4 or 8:10-4:10? Fuck off if you think that makes a difference. 8 hours is 8 hours. End of story.
Depends a little on the type of work (contract work is different), but generally disagree. Just because you can do the work in less time doesn’t mean everyone can. You can use your spare time to do other things, but if you’re only showing up 20h/week for a full time job, there’s no reason to pay you full time wages.
There’s something off kilter with the labor system when some people are doing the work of several workers while others are doing the work of half.
My last “not odd jobs to make ends meet” job I had was project manager of a job shop. I had days where I was meeting with customers, and days when I was building what my customers asked for.
When I had a customer to meet, I showed up early. I considered it a personal demerit if the customer arrived on site before I did.
When I had a thing to build and the customer wanted it on the 18th I’d turn up when I felt like it. Research, ordering parts, CAD design, programming, coordinating with my team and correspondence could and usually did happen from my house. A lot of brain storming took place in the shower. When it was time to show up in the shop I turned up when I felt like it and left when I felt like it. I cannot think of a time when I missed a deadline that was my fault. The deadline I blew the worst was the one I wasn’t told. “I needed it by the 26th.” “Well the 28th was a great time to tell me that.” “I thought you’d get right on it!” “I had five other customers’ projects going, you were 6th in line.”
I genuinely miss the "Here’s a weird goddamn thing to build. I want a radar guided hammer dulcimer. I need the right handlebar shroud of a 1994 Yamaha FSF-400XF. They only made 400 of these bikes, the part fell off somewhere in Wyoming, here’s the left one. You know that scene in spy movies where they need to steal the diamond launch codes from a room full of laser beams? Make an arcade attraction out of that. I need a 3D scan of my stillborn baby.
Actually no I’m never doing that last one ever again god chestnut-roasting dammit.
If you need to be there at a specific time, be professional and be there. If other workers are depending on you to be there, be there. Being tardy just ‘cause, is pretty pathetic. In an ideal world, none of us would have to work. But we do, so show up.
AND if someone is late because of traffic, etc, you shouldn’t sweat it.
I think that depends on the nature of the work, but also whether it’s a regular pattern of being late.
Depends entirely on the job.
If you are interacting with people or have meetings, sure, promptness is important and polite.
If you are doing design work, or coding, or data driven jobs where you don’t really interact with anyone and just work for 8 hours, then who gives a shit if you work from 8-4 or 8:10-4:10? Fuck off if you think that makes a difference. 8 hours is 8 hours. End of story.
Further, if you don’t need 8 hours to finish the work, then nobody should care if you’re there or not, as long as your outcomes are achieved.
Depends a little on the type of work (contract work is different), but generally disagree. Just because you can do the work in less time doesn’t mean everyone can. You can use your spare time to do other things, but if you’re only showing up 20h/week for a full time job, there’s no reason to pay you full time wages.
There’s something off kilter with the labor system when some people are doing the work of several workers while others are doing the work of half.
My last “not odd jobs to make ends meet” job I had was project manager of a job shop. I had days where I was meeting with customers, and days when I was building what my customers asked for.
When I had a customer to meet, I showed up early. I considered it a personal demerit if the customer arrived on site before I did.
When I had a thing to build and the customer wanted it on the 18th I’d turn up when I felt like it. Research, ordering parts, CAD design, programming, coordinating with my team and correspondence could and usually did happen from my house. A lot of brain storming took place in the shower. When it was time to show up in the shop I turned up when I felt like it and left when I felt like it. I cannot think of a time when I missed a deadline that was my fault. The deadline I blew the worst was the one I wasn’t told. “I needed it by the 26th.” “Well the 28th was a great time to tell me that.” “I thought you’d get right on it!” “I had five other customers’ projects going, you were 6th in line.”
I genuinely miss the "Here’s a weird goddamn thing to build. I want a radar guided hammer dulcimer. I need the right handlebar shroud of a 1994 Yamaha FSF-400XF. They only made 400 of these bikes, the part fell off somewhere in Wyoming, here’s the left one. You know that scene in spy movies where they need to steal the diamond launch codes from a room full of laser beams? Make an arcade attraction out of that. I need a 3D scan of my stillborn baby.
Actually no I’m never doing that last one ever again god chestnut-roasting dammit.
And likewise, any employer unexpectedly asking you to stay late is just as unprofessional.