I hate when people say that they’ll only move when it has 100% support
People who say ‘cant wait for steamOS to come out so that I can move to it’ is also very similar
They never will try Linux, even if what they want comes true
They won’t do it, whether they just fear change or think it’ll break stuff or they can’t bother
And I’m not going to lie, I don’t hate them or debate with them for it, I just hate the bold lies they tell just to get with the crowd
“Fuck you Microsoft, I’m moving to Linux” says the individual that would never move if they haven’t already
Frankly, I probably wouldn’t move either if Windows didn’t permanently break my ethernet and WiFi drivers, and reinstalling windows wasn’t harder than installing Linux, fucking hell
Either way, these people kick up hype for a Linux that will be so much bigger but they never arrive
Maybe they will, due in fucking 2028 or something when they invent a really easy way to use built in Linux tools to move your files from NTFS to Linux and then when you launch steam you have a perfect library of Linux compatible games that are as good or better than windows
And don’t lie, even now with 80% compatibility it feels more like 60%, whether because it depends on the system one runs or because the performance drops just make it not worth it…
At least don’t lie that you’ll move to Linux at a goal post that you’ll just move whenever you get close, maybe say that you’ll move to Linux when you finally get a new pc with a new disk or something?
Why is it a lie if people don’t want to switch, because their games are not there yet? Maybe someone plays a lot League of Legends, or Fortnite, or Valorant, or Destiny 2 or whatever [insert your game here]. They don’t know what awaits them in Linux and think its a similar operating system without the bullshit of Microsoft. Lot of people would happily switch, if they have the courage to install it themselves (with burning iso or boot disks). If the games are the most important thing, then its hard to argue to switch, if their games are not working in Linux. Because doing so would mean leaving friends behind too.
Its not a lie. My brother is in a similar situation. He purchased a Steam Deck in a situation where he was thinking about getting a laptop. First it was nice, but then more and more he could not play the games he wanted to, besides a few software compatibility issues like Discord. Now the next PC he purchased (I build it for him) has Windows. Windows bugs him, but its a necessary evil. He will switch, if his games are working in Linux and if he can be confident that future games he want to play will work on Linux as well.
Why is it a lie if people don’t want to switch, because their games are not there yet?
It’s the generic they don’t like what I like cope.
The games I want: emacs, golang, docker, nginx, prometheus, grafana…
Nethack works well on Linux too.
I kept saying once upon a time"I’ll make the switch to Linux but X doesn’t work, so not yet. "
I dual booted for a while. That “a while” ended when Windows ate GRUB.
I had enough. I decided enough was enough. I kept windows on one SSD, just in case I wanted to go back. That didn’t last long, I wiped that drive, and formatted it to BTRFS. Now none of my drives are NTFS.
For the one case I “need” Windows, I spun up a VM (and configured USB passthrough) for Windows. That is for a guitar pedal and amp that I need Windows for updates. But I don’t remember the last time I booted up that VM.
For music recording and production I installed Reaper for Linux natively, but that was an easy transition considering Reaper was what i used in Windows. Sure VSTs were a big concern for me, so I investigated VST bridge type software. And I can’t recall the ones I investigated. But this is where I am at on my journey.
I don’t care how “easy” it is to just stay the same and keep using Windows, it isn’t for me. I don’t agree with their data collection policies. I don’t agree with the “black box” mentality. I want to know what is happening on my system. I want to understand what I am using. And at a certain point with Windows, I just don’t have the ability, tools, or inside scoop to fully learn that.
With Linux, the journey may have taken time, effort, and willingness to troubleshoot and learn but it ultimately is a better experience.
There have been very few games I couldn’t get working on my system, but those games aren’t enough to sell out my ideals. I will never go back.
I would rather be a farmer.
This has been a common mode of discourse since the 90’s.
Who cares.
Folks that’re going to use Linux already are. Folks that are curious about it are trying it, and occasionally they post asking for help. Everybody else is using what they use and has no interest in changing.
Since ProtonDB (and obviously Proton itself, Wine with its own WineApp DB, SteamOS) there is an easy way to check if your favorite games do work. That being said I understand that people are afraid. They might think “OK… well Elden Ring works but what about the DLC, or upcoming Elden Ring Nightreign?” and believe, probably rightfully so to be honest, that because Windows is still the most popular OS for gaming on PC and that game publishers are economically rational actors, more testing and fixes will be done against that target platform.
So… 100% is a ridiculous coverage because it’s impractical but IMHO they are not that silly to “want” it. It’s just a simpler way to say they are scared and do not want to bother. They would rather follow the crowd than take a risk themselves and be trail blazers.
All that being said now that ProtonDB exists and Valve is actively radically improving support via Proton, that gamers see in the wild SteamDecks popping up literally around them, in flights, airports, waiting rooms, etc they just can not ignore the fact that support is improving enough to have fun. Mentality will change but it takes time and Microsoft is fighting back because despite having Azure as their dollar printing asset, they are just hooked on bundling.
They might think “OK… well Elden Ring works but what about the DLC, or upcoming Elden Ring Nightreign?” and believe, probably rightfully so to be honest
But is it justified? I can’t think of a single new release PC game (without anti-cheat. I don’t play multiplayer online games really) that hasn’t worked on Linux with at most, very little tinkering.
I don’t actually know BUT it would be amazing to start with a ranking, e.g. https://www.npr.org/2024/07/16/g-s1-9554/best-games-2024-picked-by-npr-staff , and see if 100% of those via e.g. ProtonDB API or even manually (but not ideal to stay up to date), are above a quality threshold, say Gold or Platinum (or obviously native) then tell everyone about it.
Because… if it’s true that 100% of those (anti-cheat excluded) do work then even I, a gamer who runs exclusively Linux on PC and handeld, would be assuming maybe 80%.
I can’t believe I bought a windows license in July, back when I built my new PC - was planning to use Windows for games exclusively and Linux for everything else.
Haven’t booted into Windows since at least November, it’s a great feeling. Every game I play (including new releases) runs fine on Linux.
What a time to be alive!
(note: the only game I can’t play is Valorant, but that’s the same on Windows, too, as it requires secure boot)
I mean moving from linux now is a bit like moving from reddit back when they screwed with the api. I don’t care really if other people do but its long past due that I move along. Should have done it years ago.
Why does it matter? All that matters is that plenty of people do use Linux - literally millions of people. There is a healthy vibrant ecosystem of distros, and devs working on Linux.
I don’t care if people aren’t interested in Linux. I’m much more interested in ensuring those people who choose Linux are happy because that is good for all.of us.
And the best thing anyone can do is donate to the projects they care about. That helps projects fund development and support. It’s much more useful than trying to convince people to try Linux when they have no real interest in it.
“it has to run every single piece of windows software or else its useless”
This made me never want to try Linux.
Im Sure you think this is some sort of a ‘gotcha’ statement but I don’t really care, I’m more annoyed at people who wouldn’t even try but say that they will
Yeah, it’s a piss baby attitude. Why do you care if they don’t?
Because they act like they do care
Or maybe they just say they will try it to get you to stop badgering them about Linux
The thing is that the privacy, speed, usability and configurability are so much better, it’s only you that’s missing out by making a statement like that. I’m sure it makes no difference to OP.
I switched in April and I cannot believe I was missing out on this for so long.
Fair enough, and who knows, maybe I will try it, I like open source and everything. It’s just op’s attitude was unappealing to say the least.
Yeah, I agree that OP’s attitude is unappealing. But it’s not like OP is an official spokesperson or ambassador for Linux or anything like that. It’s just a person giving their opinion. And in any large group of people there’s always going to be some that you don’t agree with. (and often they are the loudest most visible ones…)
And my comment was more to comment on the attitude rather than Linux itself.
I, too, make decisions based on what a random internet stranger’s attitude towards a thing is.
Nah I’m pretty sure OP is seething and they’re living in their head rent free.
They wouldn’t have typed an entire wall of salty, griping borderline man baby text if these users didn’t bother them. They clearly do.
That’s true.
I always find it puzzling when adults act like “You told me to do a thing so now I don’t want to do it” or “You said a thing that’s true, but in a way that made me feel bad so I refuse to accept it”. What’s going on in there?
Related question, do you think in words or feelings? Some people have a whole inner monologue, and some people do not. Some people think in pictures, or just wordless impulses.
It’s less of a knee jerk reaction of insolence against some perceived authority to rebel against, and more that I found the demeanor and entitlement of the post to be so utterly repugnant that I was put off. “You said you’d use Linux and didn’t how dare you”. It’s like a toddler throwing a tantrum over people whom may not exist.
As for your related question, the subtext is that you are accusing me of being an unthinking person who reacts only out of emotion, and I don’t particularly care for that, nor do I have any reason to tell you my internal mental processes, so I decline answering it.
You did come off as someone who reacts only on emotion, since that’s all that was visible in your previous post.
Being put off by the delivery of information is not typically a good reason to dismiss it. If someone says to you “3 is a prime number you donkey” you’re hopefully not going to reject that because they were rude. I mean, we all do that to some extent, but it’s a pretty sloppy shortcut.
Since we’re talking about how people come off, you come off as one of those people who like to think they are logical and rational but are very dismissive of emotions (of others) and come off as condescending, because you are. You’re also probably pedantic.
So, to appeal to your rational side, just because a decision is based off of emotion doesn’t inherently invalidate it. If someone said “3 isn’t a prime number you donkey” and you got mad and argued that it was, you’re still correct even if the way you got to that conclusion wasn’t rational.
It’s probably a variation of ad homonym but I’m not going to bother to look up the specifics.
I think people over value emotions, but I realize I’m part of people too and it happens to me. Emotions are a fast heuristic but they’re not very inaccurate. They’re good for when speed is important, or when more information isn’t available. Neither is true on an async post about Linux. But yes, I can be dismissive of emotions but it’s something I’m working on.
I’ve seen too many people make strange, unhelpful, decisions because like “someone told me to do something and now I won’t” or “that guy was rude so I’m not going to listen”. That’s what your post felt like to me. (Note the emotional dimension there, heh)
Like, imagine a friend who always forgets their plans, is late, and double books themselves. You probably can’t just be like “use a calendar, dude”. You probably have to gently massage them and incept the idea. If you just tell them, they’ll feel bad, reject the idea, and continue having problems. (In real life, some months later the friend did come around to using a calendar, but only after uselessly wrestling with feeling bad)
That was a lot of delving into your personal opinions that I don’t care about to bury a “you’re right” in there. How typical, the only thing you relate to emotions is being unable to control someone else. They are another thing to get in the way of what you, like a selfish child that became a dictator, want. No empathy for the joys in life or sympathy for the sorrows, you hypocritically aggrandize logic through illogical opinions. They aren’t there specifically for decision making or as an accurate heuristic, they aren’t a tool for you to control, they are an experience to have while alive. Something you seem to be half assing. I’m glad you’re getting help but frankly it seems like you have a long way to go if you’re that level of control freak.
If you’re upset by this, you’re the type to be dismissive of emotions, I see no reason why I should consider yours in the slightest. If you don’t like how that feels, to have your emotions ignored, then I’ve given you something to think about, haven’t I?
It’s like a toddler throwing a tantrum over people whom may not exist.
Sure… But your reaction was also childish and irrational.
A little bit of the pot calling the kettle black…
It’s a little calculated, but probably wouldn’t get picked up on by people.
Some people just need to be contrarian… It’s like Oppositional Defiance Disorder or something. Like a child.
Who cares tbh
Pointless discussion.
That list keeps getting smaller
Every so often, when an online game gets support on Linux I give it a go. I almost immediately remember why I stopped playing them, most of them are cesspools of toxic pkayers, predatory micro (and mavro) transactions and the works. 100% of games worth playing run on linux already.
It’s a little strange that you think “I want feature parity with what’s working for me (from my perspective)” is:
- A lie.
- Unreasonable to ask for.
The healthy responses would be “Well, I hope either support grows or your needs change, because of some philosophical reasons you might not care about… yet” or, if they’re open to it “Oh, it can do this if you put a little work in, let me help you.”
The unhealthy response is to accuse people of moving goalposts as if someone’s tool of choice is a political debate. It can be, obviously, given FOSS philosophies, but honestly this kind of screed just drives people away.
yeah, if you want to talk to computer normies about it, its good to focus on the practical advantages.
you wont get nag screens and bullshit, its yours. it works well even on potato computers. its actually easier to use in a lot of ways. there are no ads. it actually runs games now, sometimes better than windows. it wont randomly slow down for some background task while you use it. it wont uninstall your shit or reset settings. it wont install shit without you approval. there are no ads. its less targeted by hackers and viruses. it is more powerful if you want to put the effort.
so on, so forth. privacy and freedom are important things, but ones that most people sadly dont think about in secondary aspects of their lives like computers are for most people.
I switched to linux because Windows10 is going EoL, and my hardware is ineligible for Windows11. It’s been fine, once I got it set up. There wasn’t any single thing that pushed me over the edge. I just had a free weekend and I knew I had to do it eventually.
I really wanted the install to be smooth so I could tell everyone how great it was. It was not. Somehow it borked itself, and I couldn’t boot from the usb stick a 2nd time until after I manually edited a file on it. Then installer hung on the last step, and I couldn’t find any answers other than “Use the previous LTS”. At least that worked.
