• Ithorian@lemmy.world
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    15 days ago

    We all know that in the end only maybe 1 or 2% max will delete their account

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      Exactly this. Wasn’t Netflix going to sink after everyone cancelled when password sharing was banned? But everyone I know just ended up buying extra logins…

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      That’s fine. 1% per uberweird news cycle is the death of facebook.

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    he’s replacing it with community notes, which is a good thing. the problem i have with Facebook and Instagram is all the useless junk videos that i didn’t ask for and it keeps showing me

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        Community saw this as a potential note and agreed that it isn’t provably true and doesn’t contribute to the post. Rejected and it won’t be shown.

        If you think this method doesn’t work I have an entire Wikipedia to show you.

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            The bad faith actors used to outnumber the good. That’s why Wikipedia’s reputation has never recovered, and they’ve never been able to beat the allegations. However, Wikipedia fixed what was wrong with their system of citing and verifying information contributed by others years ago. And X’s Community Notes system has a similar mechanism in place that has proven to be equally as effective and verifiable.

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      14 days ago

      Since Facebook market place is the defacto classified now I keep my account around to buy and sell. My feed is full of AI generated images related to anything I search on market place. Right now it is all trucks because I was looking for truck tires.

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    i’m so tired of nothingburger feel good ‘stories’ about search trends

    this really is just reddit lite

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      Eh, it goes harder in some of the bad things about Reddit, but it’s better in others. So it’s less “Reddit lite” and more discount Reddit.

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    Critics see the move as an attempt to cater to the incoming Trump administration and avoid political retaliation,

    Give me a break. Since when does the billionaire parasite class have anything to fear from the US establishment?

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        The billionaire parasite class ARE the people in charge.

        The fascists serve them, genius. That’s the whole point of fascism.

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            Yes that’s what we’re Increasingly moving towards.

            Nope. We’ve been there for a long, long time now. People are only figuring it out now, though.

            Beware though, that all of this is a spectrum…

            The (so-called) “political spectrum” becomes perfectly irrelevant once you understand WHY and HOW our political establishments dangle the liberal carrot and the fascist stick before us.

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              Nope. We’ve been there for a long, long time now.

              To a degree yes, but the intensity changes. And I know there were times, where there was even greater inequality (e.g. Mansa Musa). Yet it’s not really comparable with the modern world, which largely relies on speculative assets, and growth.

              becomes perfectly irrelevant

              No it doesn’t, fascism is a different level than liberal establishments. Our democracies are far from perfect, but they at least have some form of control by the people, to keep power somewhat in check. Fascism is definitely concentrating on centralizing power, with the tendency to escalate (as obviously seen in the past). Also there are a lot of statistics, which show, that we were in a comparably very peaceful state for some time (since the last world war), but we’re currently getting out of that period again (though still relatively peaceful), into a more autocratic world again unfortunately.

              I’m speaking as european, where things are not (yet) that bad. The “democracy” in the USA is definitely less democratic than let’s say scandinavian democracies… And I don’t want to even begin with something like Russia or China.

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                No it doesn’t,

                How many times will the liberal establishments have to blatantly show you what it truly is before you believe them? They’ve been doing it at least since 1919, but it has never been more blatant than now.

                Since you’re European, I’d like to know what thought-terminating cliches you use to explain to yourself why Germany’s oh-so-liberal political establishment has co-existed, side-by-side, with a securotocracy that was filled to the brim with Nazi war criminals ever since the end of WW2.

                You’d think the oh-so-liberal Global North being exposed red-handed funding yet another colonialist genocide would make a dent in those cliches, but I guess it’s true what the anarchists say… scratch a fascist and a liberal bleeds.

                Fascism is definitely concentrating on centralizing power,

                Fascists don’t “concentrate” power - they are HANDED power that has ALREADY been concentrated FOR them. You wanna guess who it is that concentrates it before handing it over to them? Do tell… how has police funding been doing under all these liberal regimes in Europe, eh?

                Let me ELI5 it to you so that you cannot claim nobody told you.

                The capitalist ruling elite, like all ruling elites throughout history, requires TWO things to stabilize their own power and privilege. They need a way to CO-OPT certain segments of the populace they rule over, and a way to brutally REPRESS those parts they can’t or don’t want to co-opt. Carrot and stick - no need for a fancy poli-sci degree to understand this.

                Therefore, the capitalists have developed a POLITICAL wing, which we call “liberalism,” and a REPRESSIVE wing, which we call “fascism.” That is what they have been since the start (ie, long before Mussolini gave fascism a name) - and which one you get depends on how much of a threat the capitalists think you pose to their precious world order.

                Fascism and liberalism is joined at the hip - you can’t have one without the other.

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                  After all this text-wall, I’d be interested in your political attitude.

                  Fascists don’t “concentrate” power - they are HANDED power that has ALREADY been concentrated FOR them.

                  So you agree with me? I didn’t say fascists are concentrating power, but they definitely maintain it (just look at the third Reich and literally all other fascistic states). (And in reality they definitely sought after concentrating power, yet again just look at the history of the third Reich…)

                  The world is much less black and white as you depict it here. True, all the (liberal) democracies to date have their flaws and at least traces of fascism (unfortunately) growing this time again. I can rant about it all day if I wanted to (but I consider that a waste of time after having wasted too much with that already).

                  But (true) liberalism is not fascism, say what you want. After all, it’s about being liberal (I don’t consider our late-stage-capitalism liberal btw. capitalism is as we see right now in the US also concentrating power to the rich)…

                  I consider liberalism closer to anarchism (not the capitalistic kind of course). There are obviously differences, but as being liberal has to do with personal freedom, and anarchism is about being against all forms of authority, it’s per definition closer to that than fascism.

                  How it’s interpreted is a whole different story. Same with all the “communistic” kinds of states. I don’t think we ever had “real” communism, only authoritarianism with the label of “communism”.

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          Billionaires or not, they don’t have control of state militaries (yet at least). In fascism, the state is at the top, and corporations bend the knee and become an extension of the government to be used at the whims of its authoritarian leader.

          What it ultimately comes down to is power and the capacity for violence. It doesn’t matter how much money you have, if a government can just drone strike your entire family, does it?

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            they don’t have control of state militaries

            Of course they don’t. They don’t need direct control of the military. That’s what their pet political establishment is there for. You know… the political establishment who gets to decide who they will ALLOW you to vote for every four years?

            In fascism, the state is at the top

            And liberalism differs from that… how?

            and become an extension of the government

            And what did you think the Military-Industrial Complex was?

            You’re not describing anything here that differs from liberalism in any fundamental way. You’re not wrong - I just don’t think you realize the full implications of what it is you are saying.

            It doesn’t matter how much money you have,

            We’re not talking about the surgeon who lives in the nice part of town and drives a Merc here… we are talking about the capitalist class who controls ALL of our society INCLUDING it’s repression apparatus. And Trump, an incompetent capitalist nepobaby cosplaying as a fascist, needs Zuckerberg far more than Zuckerberg needs Trump. Trump knows it, and the entire US political establishment knows it.

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              Lol you just said liberalism is the same as fascism… Stopped reading there.

              Also helps when you see a user you previously tagged confirming that you were correct the first time.

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                You don’t want to know why the liberals keep fascists around?

                They do say ignorance is bliss - maybe that applies to you.

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      i worry about (future, AI enhanced) impersonation attempts so I just keep it secure and don’t post anything.

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          my grandma is still alive, some other family as well. with AI voice cloning and things i just foresee a lot of negative possibilities. maybe in another decade nobody i know would be on those places as well, hopefully there is some alternative for keeping up with family and old colleagues etc.

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              unfortunately can’t jet across the country regularly, as much as i might wish. and sometimes calls happen over (guess what) fb messenger. not everything is a conversation, but meta products cover a lot of ground beyond status updates at this point.

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                They do, but is that actually helping build your relationship? Or does it make you feel like you’re more connected than you are and justify calling/visiting a bit less?

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    I don’t care about Facebook, but Messenger and Marketplace I cannot replace them at all for the moment :-/

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      Instead of market place I use buy nothing, and offer up, and just give to my local goodwill.

      There’s a buy nothing app. It’s a free community run organization for local things that started on Facebook then they made an app and website. It’s all give away stuff but I’ve gotten some really nice & expensive stuff off there and given a lot away too. It’s not as active as their Facebook buy nothing groups, but now maybe that will change. I refuse to use Facebook since I watched my mom turn into a crazy conspiracy trump shit person in 2020.

      Ive even made friends with a few people through a few exchanges to them over time on buy nothing, like a nice old lady that I give fruit to from my garden and she makes jam out of it and gives me some back

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    I’m waiting to see what happens before I make any moves. I’ve been on Meta apps for over a decade, I don’t want to lose the connections if I don’t have to.

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      I know this got a lot of downvotes, that’s fine. Most of my friends are not tech-savvy or young, they’re not going to be signing up for Lemmy or Mastodon. I’m not ready to lose touch with them entirely. I have taken steps to limit what info Meta can collect from me and stopped posting there entirely. I check in now and then to see if there’s anything big, but that’s it.

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      How many of those connections would you say are actively maintained instead of just passively there?

      Those that are actively maintained you can likely send them something like Signal and start chatting on that instead.

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    Once these platforms are perceived as a way for people to make a living somehow, they ain’t leaving. That’s why nice places like mastodon stay niche. Without virality, people don’t see the upside for them. They want a grift they can understand.

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      That is sounding more and more like a benefit to me. Social media that functions as social media for humans and not just another giant corporate surveillance and marketing machine wearing a fun app costume.

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        I get it, but I also understand people that need to go “this is me, can I have some money?” on social media.

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          Oh yeah no disagreement there. The way that social media of all types democratizes content creation and celebrity status is great.

          For me personally, the YouTube model is great where individuals can basically produce their own TV show or documentaries. But all the other big corporate social media services are meh in comparison. When it comes to interaction rather than consuming, that’s when I love Lemmy.

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    It comes preinstalled in a lot of phones and cant be uninstalled and in some phones they dont preinstall the main fb app instead they’d have something like ‘facebook manager’ or ‘something service’ which only shows up in app list when you select the “show system apps” option.

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      It comes preinstalled in a lot of phones

      Those are typically carrier-sold phones.

      Most unlocked phones purchased directly from the manufacturer (or via a retail store like BestBuy) do not have it pre-installed, and even if it is, its removable.

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        Nope. My Galaxy S23 is unlocked and it has Facebook and Meta crap installed as “system” apps. Same with an older Sony phone.

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          Weirdly enough, the best manufacturers for minimum bloat ware are the Chinese brands. Doogee and Ulefone have the bare minimum, just the basic Google apps.

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      I’ve read stories that fb is basically the internet for countries in Africa. It’s their version of America Online, but much worse.

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        Thats what internet.org was about, fb partnered with major telecoms in many countries with no net neutrality laws to let people use fb for free and a few other websites but except for wikipedia most were pretty much useless.

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        In mexico most (if not all) cell service providers give social media for free, ie it uses no data in your phone plan.

        What is social media, according to these companies? Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram. That’s it. Everyone uses Facebook marketplace and WhatsApp for everything, because it’s “free”.

        I think most people don’t understand the stranglehold Meta has over a huge portion of the world’s population. I’m confident this arrangement is not only going on in mexico.

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      People should have deleted it as soon as their parents figured out how to make an account.

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        Haha! That’s what I did. When my aunt tried to friend request me on Facebook, I bailed.

        I joined back in college when it was an invite only walled-garden of college kids. Zucks pic was still in the banner when I joined iirc. They hadn’t release “the wall” or much of what Facebook eventually became.

        But when parents and coworkers started trying to friend request me I realized it was time to bail.

        So 12 years ago? Maybe just 10.

        I have never missed it at all.

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      Stayed with FB despite Cambridge because Portal TV.

      I’ll still maintain an account because Portal TV.

      It’s a gorgeous product done wrong by meta and in need of a cloning.

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      It was that combined with the fact that they create shadow profiles for your unborn child when your wife is pregnant. (Found out through FB being allowed to track your browsing history even off the app). That was the final straw right after the Cambridge Analytica issue.

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        Wait what the bloody fuck? I haven’t heard anything about this. Sounds right up their alley, but what evidence is it based on?

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          If you look up the practical application of Shadow profiles they have the ability to gather information about non-users, which also includes unborn children in the case of them discovering that the mother is pregnant through whatever web searches that they may be doing even outside of Facebook. The whole science of Shadow profiles used to strengthen the algorithm is incredibly frightening and part of the reason why I left Facebook.

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            I can almost excuse shadow profiles for things like “two people both have X contact in their phone”, but making them for unborn children? Lord have mercy. That’s genuinely crazy. It makes me wonder if it’s something like they just marked someone as pregnant based on searches (weird, but maybe acceptable, idk) and it got taken out of context? Hopefully? Either way it’s icky.

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          I hadn’t heard of this either but here’s an article about Facebook keeping shadow profiles on non-users that references an article from 2012 where Target’s data collection determined a teen girl was pregnant before she told her dad

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      I deleted my Facebook account years ago, probably right around 2016. I met a new girl last year and she wanted me to make a Facebook account so she could send me stuff. I relented and made a “new” account using the same email I used back in 2016. Low and behold, Facebook never deleted a fucking thing.

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      It would be easier if they didn’t buy other products I already used. I hate that shit so much. I wish companies were all banned from buying other companies. A company should be one thing, not own all the things. It’s hard to choose who you do business with in our country because of this. Even if we all drop these apps today and move to something else they will try to buy that too.

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      I deleted mine shortly thereafter. I tried to convince friends and family to do the same but got accusations of being paranoid or a conspiracy theorist. Jump to now, everyone’s Christmas gifts from them this year was tatty bullshit from Temu that was advertised to them on Facebook and I spend most of my time with them dismantling conspiracy theories and misinformation they picked up from the dumbasses they interact with on that fucking site.

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      That’s when I started refusing to use it. I only still have my account because my family refuses to call when shit happens now and only seem to announce it on facebook. So i check it every 6 months.

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      I beat it by a year or two. For me it was that every time I would log in, my cousin’s friend would say hi, and I’ve only talked to him like once at a family gathering he was at for some reason. I realized most of my Facebook use was deflecting that person instead of actually talking to friends. I looked into it and thought it was super creepy what Facebook was doing with my data, and realized I was getting nothing for all of that invasion of my privacy, so I bailed.

      I had to create an account a few years later (probably around 2016) because I needed to work with some FB employees for a couple weeks, and then I deleted it after that contract.

      Since then, I’ve avoided all Meta products.

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    According to Google Trends, related searches like “how to delete all photos facebook,” “alternative to facebook,” “how to quit facebook,” “how to delete threads account,” and “how to delete instagram account without logging in” have become breakout searches, with popularity suddenly increasing by over 5,000% compared to previous periods.

    So that is 51 times higher than usual? Am I mathing that correctly?

    I wish stories like this wouldn’t use percentages this way, and reported hard actual numbers to compare against.

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      So true… When I see 100% more, I interpret it as 2x. But somewhere around, idk, maybe 300% I interpret “300% more” as 3x. I know that’s technically not correct, but it’s just where my brain goes. I think a good deal of people just throw around “n% more” and “n% as often” interchangeably without much thought.

      Luckily, the bigger the number the less of a difference between the two which is aligned with my brain using them the same.

      (And obviously, if it’s anything technical where it matters I would get clarification.)

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        And those are real users too. They are intching closer and close to just being a bot hellscape.