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    15 hours ago

    Sorry, I use a search engine about 300 times a month at minimum. I’m not what you’d consider a power user right now. I agree it shouldn’t be interesting, but it should be used at least. How many figures are you earning?

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      14 hours ago

      You said “if your product is not interesting enough for users to use”.

      The product has to be useful, and the user growth for a obviously premium service I think is a good testimony of that.

      Have you considered that they might be a healthy business that doesn’t bleed money (like most tech companies) and therefore doesn’t need to rely on trapping users in subscriptions hoping they won’t use the product?

      Also what’s with the passive aggressive tone? We are talking about a search engine, chill.

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        14 hours ago

        I’m fine. I feel like I’m arguing with a secret Kagi operative here.

        I haven’t considered that they might be a healthy business but you seem to know a lot more than I do about it…

        Please, keep sharing what you don’t know about Kagi

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          13 hours ago

          I am repeating data points they shared during the community event.

          BTW buddy, you can cool it with the passive-aggressiveness. Not everyone on the internet is out to get you.

          The info about them breaking even at 25k was shared in the discord channel (which I very rarely look). The rest are stats that are published on their website and as I said shared during the yearly community event.

          I work in tech, and I would be blind to not acknowledge that a company which:

          • is profitable/breaks even after few years of operation
          • does that with 25k users
          • doesn’t have a marketing budget (used to, now they might have a ridiculously small one).

          Might be a healthy business, different from 99% of tech companies that generally bleed money even with millions of users.

          You seem completely sure of the opposite, whatever, don’t use their service lol

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            10 hours ago

            Kind cool to see a profitable company like that. I worked on a place that for years was burning millions of dollars every month in hopes of eventually making it work out 😄

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            13 hours ago

            You can cool it with accusing me of being passive-aggressive, I think I’ve been completely fair to you. You can definitely not call me ‘buddy’, and you can stop acting like a victim here.

            You have to agree that it’s strange that you’re putting so much energy into something you don’t have a monetary interest in. This is very unusual behavior for some random dude on the internet. You must see that. You don’t seem stupid, but you definitely seem incentivized.

            So let’s both acknowledge that you’re getting paid to do this and that I’m not.

            I also work in tech. I’m not sure why you’d be working so hard for a company that you claim isn’t paying you. You’re worth more than this homeboy.

            So, I’m going to assume that you are working for them. Wouldn’t you? So please, again, tell me everything you think you know about Kagi. I’m really curious.

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              13 hours ago

              Let me explain it to you:

              • first comment with meta-statements about down votes (I didn’t downvote, but still shows the tone)
              • one comment in: “how many figures you get”
              • two comments in: “I feel like I am talking with a secret operative”.

              Now, you might think everyone is stupid, but it doesn’t take that much that all these statements are passive aggressive and they are a way to insinuate your interlocutor is arguing in bad faith or for ulterior motives.

              so much energy into something you don’t have a monetary interest in

              I don’t agree. First because it’s little effort, if any. I am right now taking a dump and tapping on my phone. Second, by the same logic your commitment would show also financial incentive? So are you paid by Google to smear competitors?

              I instead think that we are simply commenting on stuff that we are interested in. I want kagi to succeed, of course, and I do because it’s a great product but much more importantly because I want their business model to succeed. I want more and more companies adopting it and stop thinking that fucking over users is the only way to make money. From this perspective, sure, I am invested because I want a healthy tech industry which works for humans and their rights.

              Not that I have to justify anything anyway.

              BTW, if you start every conversation with the mindset that “everyone who disagrees with me must be paid by whom I am accusing”, I hardly think you can consider yourself fair. As I said, using your own logic I need to assume you work for Google or Microsoft and are paid by them to smear competitors.

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                13 hours ago

                I just can’t believe you put so much energy into defending a profit-generating company WITHOUT COMPENSATION. You could argue that someone would have to be stupid to participate in the industry that we do, but it’s another thing to defend these companies without any compensation. I don’t disrespect you, but it’s sad. I hope you can do better for yourself. Good luck homeboy. I think you’re better than this.

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                  12 hours ago

                  “You can’t call me buddy” - proceeds to call “homeboy”.

                  I explained my reasons, if you disagree or you decided not to read them it is your problem. Keep your compassion for those who need it.