• misk@sopuli.xyzOP
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    5 hours ago

    When you think payment you think „money” but I think „fair” :) We’ve been broken by capitalist hegemony to the point it’s hard of thinking of something different.

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        3 hours ago

        It sounds like a European soviet republic. Most of them were working reasonably well and were really good at preventing poverty but were stuck in-between being exploited by Russia and artificially cut off from half the world (big reason why they had to fail). Those countries solved problems progressive western democracies couldn’t ever solve, for example gender wage inequality (to the point it endures today). Unfortunately all of us in the „west” are stuck in a death spiral after US and Russia went tits up in the 70s/80s. Maybe we’ll have another go once this is finally done.

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          2 hours ago

          I’m not sure what you are trying to say here. Do you think that soviet states would have negotiated with owners of private property before using it for public benefit?

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            2 hours ago

            No, why would they? There’s a difference between strong taking from the weak and community taking surplus from everyone.

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              31 minutes ago

              I’m trying to follow you. It would be ok if a soviet government did it, but if a private company does it, then it’s stealing. Because a soviet government is strong? Has control of the military and all that, unlike some start-up or even an established company?

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                13 minutes ago

                I’m not sure I’m following you either, it appears to me that you don’t see a difference between tax and theft. It was common to outgrow this belief but it appears to be common now. I’ll try to explain.

                When Meta takes from everyone it’s a bully that takes from the weak who can’t fight back. Meta does it so that they become the biggest fish in the pond as an end goal.

                When a state takes from everyone and rich in particular it’s because we don’t to have this kind of big fish in the pond. We just want to chill.