There’s still the odd game that’s somehow broken in WINE that isn’t broken by anticheat or DRM, but by just being crusty code, but those edge cases will do fine in a Windows VM /w a spare GPU being passed through to it.
Anything that uses kernel anticheat, so basically any modern multiplayer title, is platform-locked into a baremetal Windows install, but since I have no interest whatsoever in modern multiplayer titles and thus no interest in anything with a kernel anticheat, I can do just fine virtualizing Windows in that scenario while using a Linux host for everything else.
(which, Soulbringer, one of my previous edge-case titles, works great in Proton /w dxwrapper+DXVK, but Civ3’s audio is still broken in Proton even if C3X fixes the graphics, so that’s still being ran in a Windows VM, which I currently have Win11 LTSC running in a VM /w my Vega 56 being passed through to it for just that very purpose, while I’m using an RX 6600 for my host card)
As for apps like Maya, Blender is actually competitive with it nowadays.
As an addendum relating to modern multiplayer titles, those are the few titles where it would make more sense to play them on console instead of PC anyways since the way in which they’re locked down goes against PC’s main selling point: the fact that you actually own your system to a degree where the consoles are effectively locked into the PS, Xbox, or Nintendo walled garden.
I’ve read that modding many games is a total bitch-and-a-half on Linux, too. No idea if that’s true or not, but still. I’m a sicker for fuckin’ with games and if stuff breaks on Linux that works fine on windows, that’s a problem.
That depends, the Fallout and Elder Scrolls games are easily modded regardless of OS, and I’ve had good luck with HedgeModManager too for Sonic Generations, and even for Civ3, C3X fixes the black map bug however I haven’t found a good fix for the crackling and popping audio.
I got a countdown on my birthday app counting down to October 14. Cant wait
I skimmed an article on enshittification yesterday
It mentioned Windows
Can something be enshittified if it was shit from the start?
It wasn’t shit from the start though, was it.
Back when Windows 95 was a new thing it blew everything else out of the water. Suddenly there was an operating system that even regular people were paying attention to and getting excited about, and it actually deserved the hype.
Windows was a product at that time, where Microsoft made their money by people purchasing the operating system. And so the incentive was to make a great product that people wanted to buy and use.
This was true all the way through the Windows XP and 7 days, and only with the release of 8 and especially 10 did we start to see things change.
Microsoft - who used to put so much effort into trying to prevent people installing cracked Windows - suddenly didn’t seem to care so much anymore about enforcing that. They’d realised that the true exploitable value was in the online ecosystem and the data, not the product, and that was the turning point for everything.
Joke’s on you Microsoft, I had already switched to Linux at the time.
You make a very good point and are clearly a lot more knowledgeable than me.
I’m going to rephrase. Windows 11 was shitty from the start. I can defend that statement, which we both agree with, to save my ego from internal bleeding.
They keep adding shitty things to it.
I agree, 11 definitely was shitty from the beginning.
With 11 Microsoft are not even attempting to “sell” the operating system anymore, but instead are dragging people to it kicking and screaming, while they desperately try to cling to Windows 10.
Tells you everything you need to know about whether it’s the consumer or Microsoft who are on the winning side of that “upgrade”.
No this isn’t right. Windows XP was the enshitification.
Was it?
A lot of people hated XP because of it’s ‘childish’ visual design, but that’s not what enshittification is about.
Enshittificstion is when a service becomes progressively user-hostile by implementing patterns that exploit the user and their data for profit.
I used XP plenty, and I certainly don’t remember it pushing ads in the start menu, or trying to force me to register a Microsoft account, or constantly harassing me to sign up for paid subscriptions.
You may have personally thought it “was shit”, but it certainly wasn’t “enshittified”
Yes it was. Windows XP began the phone home for licensing. It also created a tiered system where things are kept from you unless you paid more, but they were not really clear about it. I remember needing a Corporate license to do some things we needed to do. This is also where they realldy fucked up with Active X and tying windows explorer to the system in such a way that made it harder not to use it. Home users could not actually admin local accounts, and security between then was basically non existant.
And then shortly after launch they began the push to get the users to use their home page, msn services, notifications for explorer to be the default browser. The media player started pushing their online services. Live ID became a thing.
If you complained that they had things you didnt want, like explorer, windows media player, windows messenger, etc: they did say you could run a utility to “remove” them. Except it didn’t. It removed the icons. So they started the flat out lying to the consumer with windows XP.
Edit: Now I remember, among other reasons, we needed corporate to stop forced updates.
Edit: I apologize for all the after post edits but the longer I think about it the more I think of!
What about the new “buy music online” feature? You could ONLY use Explorer to complete the transaction, no matter if you had a different default browser or not.
Fair, some good points there :)
I’d argue that tiered licensing wasn’t really enshittified as it was still just a one time thing where you bought a license and got a product. Not enshittified but simply unnecessarily confusing. And they somehow made that even worse with Vista.
In a similar manner I’d suggest online activation isn’t enshittified either, as that’s a pretty reasonable behaviour even for an ethical product as it helps prevent piracy. And a key again is that it’s a one-time thing, not something constantly bothering you or interrupting your experience over and over.
But the rest of your examples definitely count!
I switched a few years ago. I’ve been using windows for over 30 years. They changed a bunch of random shit I had used in the past. I figured I’d give it a shot.
I never went back. I’m not a coder. I don’t even like tech very much. I’ve been really happy with Ubuntu for years.
I wanted something that just worked. It has.
The Steam Deck was the reason I changed. Used the Deck as my only PC for a couple of months and liked the experience so I changed.
I’ve had OpenSUSE on my PC for over a year now and really like it… But I’ll be honest, the move and troubleshooting problems for setup was a pain in the ass. But it’s stable and steady since I’ve gotten over setup pains.
I hear you. I spent a while switching to OpenSUSE too because it seemed so easy, I’ve installed OSs plenty!
But I like to partition and stuff, and have a lot of drives from over the years. Oh, what filesystem? Well geeze that might as well be an epic RPG’s “choose a name” screen!
Now it’s easy: Their perfectly fine default of BTRFS because snapshots and I might try dedup, thank you very much. Lol but I still feel like I had to wade through way too much to reach that conclusion.
Once it’s installed and configured though? Man, everything I throw at it is just fine. Love my Tumbleweed. Haven’t looked back in like 4 years. :)
Tumbleweed brotherhood ✊
It doesn’t get used or recommended enough.
Tumbleweed.💖
Although for my relatives I’ll rather recommend Slowroll once it’s our of beta (or even Leap for older family members). Just that little bit more stable. 🙂 Still, OpenSuse does a fantastic job. I’d love to see them available directly from device vendors like Tuxedo, System76 or hell, even Framework.
They say they’re the distribution for humans. Apparently, it is so!
I installed Pop!_OS on a Thinkpad and made it my main work computer. It is the most boring computing experience ever. Nothing ever breaks. It just works.
It’s been my daily driver for years now. The two computers os have literally never failed, no software issues other than some bugs I myself introduced.
I’m surprised how well my thinkpad was supported in the Fedora plasma spin. Everything just worked out of the box. No drivers were needed. Even the fingerprint reader works.
I thought it would just be for login, but even terminal will use it when I need to sudo.
How awesome!
Can’t recommend it enough! I’ve tried Linux distros in the past but always found that there were hardware issues or certain programs didn’t work. Not to mention I essentially had to give up gaming. Linux was cool but I just couldn’t use it as my daily driver.
I switched to Pop!_OS last month and I’ve been blown away. The install was simple and straightforward and the only hardware that required special config was my gaming mouse that needed “libratbag” and “piper” to remap the extra buttons and adjust the RGB.
Other than that, all the programs I normally use like Discord, Dropbox, Steam, and every game I’ve tested so far work flawlessly. I don’t feel like I’m missing anything or had to give up something like I did before. I actually feel like I’ve upgraded since I’m loving the auto tiling window manager and multiple desktops that Pop!_OS has as options.
Removing Windows from your computer is like ridding your body of a terrible disease
Or when an insurance company CEO somehow transitions to an “unalive” state…
some days ago switched to void linux. It’s awesome
What made you choose Void?
I wanted to try something new and different than debian, ubuntu or fedora, but at the same time do not try something like arch. A few days ago at work I’ve mounted a VM with void linux and start reading its handbook , and wow, the OS is very intuitive, if you combine its practicity along fish you got a very handy system, but again, I tried because I wanted to try something different, I really didn’t try to satisfy a need. By the time, I should be able to tell if has the speed and performance to carry a selfhosted server; yesterday I started to migrate everything to void in my Lenovo Think Centre mini.
Nice. I hope it works out for you.
I’m a full-time Nobara daily driver since January 2024. It perfectly suits my gaming needs and also is working very well for my home audio production needs. Might have been better off with a slower moving distro for that stuff but so far so good!
I really like Void. ZFS support is quite good (btrfs is better nowadays though so not a big deal) and it’s a lot more BSD like which is very nice from a simplicity perspective. The documentation is also very good.
Runit boots very fast and is quite simple too.
Packages are less recent though and I’ve had pain with some things (eg some QT stuff, Studio and some other misc packages. Neovim + Jupyter / podman solved this for me though)
still didn’t reach that level im stuck at arch level how do find void is it good and from which point
please, read my answer to @[email protected]
This is why I use linux!
noice
Yeah, but then someone does the same with systemd, am I right?
/ducks and runs
AA5B @lemmy.world
Yeah, but then someone does the same with systemd, am I right?
/ducks and runs
Exactly what i was thinking XD. How many articles there were about systemd being pushed on linux users and how it was bloatware XD
I’m still waiting for one of two things to happen:
- Windows 10 EoS
- Steam OS 3 official support for PC
Going to 100% Linux (currently dual boot for da gamez) within 24h hours from that happening
Neither of those is going to happen…
Isn’t windows 10 end of support this year?
Also, didn’t Valve commit to SteamOS 3 for PCs at some point?
Steam os is going to be neither better or worse than anything else Linux based.
Yes, Windows 10 is EOL this year. However, if you are using it right now you shouldn’t have any issues with Windows 11. Windows 10 as it is right now is much worse than 11.
I dislike esthetics more than disfunctionality
Also Steam OS 3 is used by a pretty popular handheld, so devs are more incentivised to get their stuff running well out of the box
What do you expect from SteamOS 3?
From the system itself - stability and compatibility with my peripherals
I know that Proton is the thing allowing games to run smoothly on Linux, but the fact it’s an OS made specifically for gaming, used on a pretty popular handheld will give the devs more incentive to make their stuff well out of the box
Kinda same. Using windows only for League of Legends. Yes, I am hooked on that. Best thing I can do is find other games to take up some time. I just installed ZenlessZoneZero via sleepy launcher yesterday on my Mint install. Time to dive into those gachas!
I’ve switched to DOTA 2 after the infamous butterfly trailer, which was about 2 years ago. I like it more than League now, though it’s a shame DOTA doesn’t have 2500MS Singed equivalent. To be fair, Primal Beast and Centaur Warrunner can get close, but nowhere near poisoning the whole teamfight and running away before anyone can process what has happened.
If you want Steam OS on a desktop, install Bazzite. It’s the closest your going to get and it’s great.
Bookmarking this in case I’ll need it in 8 months
I also did dual boot for ‘da gamez’… but then found that I’ve never had to boot into Windows for any game whatsoever. It’s been a few years now. So apparently I didn’t need dual boot after all.
I was planning on switching this year anyways but windows filling out a driveiI configured specifically to not get any data and then complaining about it led to an early switch.
Well to be fair I was using Debian on a second computer for years, but now my main one also runs Fedora
Linux!? But I heard that’s nerd stuff and I want to play all the latest video games!?
I wish Debian wouldn’t try to autoinstall updates out of the box like Windows. Especially when it doesn’t have the disk space to do that and bricks itself
If you choose “expert install” it asks you if you want automated updates or not.
If steam deck runs it, linux runs it.
They’re all steamos
I wish Valve would accelerate VR gaming on linux as much as well. It’s mhe only thing blocking me from switching.
Reportedly works for many others flawlessly but I just get mad jitter. then again I’m using fedora which might be too new.
the best time to switch to linux is a few years ago.
the second best time is now.
I switched a few years ago, and recently spun up a secondary Windows install because I was planning on checking out Game Pass. I couldn’t make it more than a couple hours, Windows 11 is a hot mess now and it felt really gross to see all the ads everywhere. Even the login screen isn’t free of them anymore!
I honestly don’t know how people use that shit, I wouldn’t force it on somebody I hated.
It is actually quite bad to use. If for whatever reason I needed a commercial OS I’d have to use MacOS at this stage.
Microsoft has really dropped the ball in terms of quality.
So glad I switched to Linux a year ago, so much bs from Microsoft for exactly this and it was too much bs.
me too
I’m on windows 10. And they were right that it was the last version of windows I’ll ever need. I only change OS when I update my hardware. So next hw refresh, I’m going to Linux.
welcome
I will be happy to make the switch.
we all here happy to help you can ask me personally and i will help if i could so which distro are you trying first
I’ve used Mint, Ubuntu, CentOS and Kali here and there. Never on my personal computer though. May go with one of those, but I see some other newcomers that I might try. I appreciate the offer to help.
mostly debian so there won’t be big diffrence
I tried Mac os and I thought it was cool until I got docker and it made me make an account. It also in order to change things in the desktop environment you had to pay for apps and I’m cheap. Windows is annoying to me after being on Linux for so long even if they have wsl. My computer broke and I ended up needing Linux to make an old MacBook we had work again is the only reason I switched originally. Developing software I appreciate that the ide and terminal are super convenient to use. Normal people for Linux… Nope. Getting my Bluetooth to work was a 3 hour journey. Normal people use their PC that much in a month where as I use mine 12 hours+ a day.
My whole family uses Linux Mint and they are normal people.
Yea and I bet you installed it for them. If you provide IT support for people than yea totally doable. I switched to android and people call my phone a cheap phone or laugh at it granted the people I hang out with me included are middle class at best and I have a flagship phone and they are rocking iPhone 11s and stuff. Point being marketing is key and open source doesn’t have a Nike like following
I did, because when you buy a PC, Linux is not installed by default. If it was, I wouldn’t have had to install it for them.
Ever since moving everyone to Linux, I haven’t had to do any IT support. Honestly.
My Linux installs break all the time because I can’t leave well enough alone. It’s always been my own fault.
Nah man, you just download an ISO and press next on the install screen.
I didn’t install it for my family, my siblings did and they are labourers. If something went wrong they might ask me but it’s been 8 years and I’ve never had to touch any of the family computers. However, they are only used to browse the web, so not much to go wrong.
I had to do a lot more maintenance on Windows a decade ago when they used excel for the family business. That was why they switched to Linux, apple sheets with MacOS was vastly more stable but Mac was $$$$, Linux was the better compromise.
People like to simp for M$ but for stability and simplicity, Linux is vastly simpler for a home user.
I can’t comment on enterprise use, there seems to be a lot of love for Microsoft Group Policies and VMWare among IT professionals, I dont like it but it must be good – not my area.
Sounds like you need to hang out with better people. I doubt my friends could even tell you what phone I use, and Androids can easily cost more than an iPhone. People who call it cheap are uneducated on the subject and leaning toward shallow at best.
I installed Mint for my grandmother. I only visit twice a year and I’ve never had to help her fix it. On the other hand, I have have had to recover family Windows computers that had a bad update.
Or just get good, iPhone users make fun of me all the time for using a non-iPhone, but I just flip it back on them,
“What? Of course I don’t have an iPhone, I don’t like spyware. I use GrapheneOS. Sure ‘your UI is so good that babies and the elderly can use it’ well get good scrub.”
Tbf my mom doesn’t know how to install Linux, true, but she also doesn’t know how to install Windows. If you give her a bare metal laptop with no OS I would have to install either for her. If linux came preinstalled (say she buys a Framework and chooses Fedora), and she wanted to switch to windows after not liking it, I’d have to install it for her too.
She also doesn’t know that she can “search” inside her emails to find something, we’re not exactly talking about people who know how to do anything on a computer, so what, do you think I don’t have to “provide IT support” no matter what OS she runs? At least with linux I’ll be able to help instead of trying to figure out windows fuckery after not using it myself for years now.
As to the iPhone users, yeah they make fun of me too because they’re stupid, get good and turn it back on them like I do, “of course I don’t use iSpyOS, I use GrapheneOS like a smart person, get good scrub.” Those capitulating to the peer pressure are no different than them buying into the marketing, that’s part of their marketing.
The Church of Linux can’t save everyone’s digital souls, but that doesn’t mean we have to stop telling people the good word from the books of Torvalds and Stallman.
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I use podman like a normal human.
