Article literally starts off just describing my ADHD related auditory processing difficulties, which is interesting for their claims because I don’t often listen to music in the first place because of it.
The only thing I use my headphones for are podcasts and audio books that I have rewind because I forgot I was listening to something.
My knee jerk response as a result is that it’s probably just younger people being more comfortable admitting something is wrong and looking for an explanation from the wrong people. They note that it is prevalent in aneurotypical people but don’t seem to have questioned that maybe these people simply aren’t diagnosed properly.
It’s especially interesting that they chose a woman as the focus for the article, with women being demonstrably underdiagnosed in particular.
Yeah those first couple paragraphs were just “ADHD/autistic woman behaves like an ADHD/autistic woman. Time to blame her for using accommodation equipment!” (Not actually Dx’ing her, but I recognize a lot of my own patterns here).
Like for fuck’s sake let us have our small bits of sanity. Tuning out the constant hell that is everyday life is not a sin.
they did say she was able to pay attention just fine watching lecture videos with subtitles. Also she is just an example, they said this problem is on the rise in general.
Someone with ADHD can better focus when they get the info simultaneously as text and audio? Unbelievable! Plus it’s the most over and under diagnosed disorder at the same time. Under diagnosed within women particularly. It’s getting diagnosed better and more often, so it fits too.
I don’t say that she has it but most neurodiverse will see lot’s of checked boxes.
Someone with ADHD can better focus when they get the info simultaneously as text and audio? Unbelievable!
Or… maybe she really does have APD as her doctors says she does?
I don’t say that she has it but most neurodiverse will see lot’s of checked boxes.
…because APD has some similar symptoms to ADHD. yet there are many armchair psychiatrists in here diagnosing her with ADHD.
APD doesn’t have similarities with ADHD. ADHD can cause APD but APD like many other common symptoms is not in the official catalog of symptoms for ADHD. But it makes sense when you think of ADHD as “not being able to prioritize input” so all you hear is processed simultaneously.
I’m not saying the doctors are wrong. But they don’t know why she has it and I’m just saying that there may be a link that they’re not seeing because of years of wrong diagnosis criteria for ADHD and Autism. Hell until 2013 they told that it is impossible to have both and today we know that the overlap is somewhere between 30 and 50%.
APD doesn’t have similarities with ADHD. ADHD can cause APD but APD like many other common symptoms is not in the official catalog of symptoms for ADHD.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9493945/
“Central auditory processing disorder (CAPD) and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) present overlapping symptomatology.”
I stand corrected, thx for sharing the link
…podcasts and audio books that I have rewind because I forgot I was listening to something.
I sad chuckled because I am the same. On the other hand, I listen to glitchy electronic music with irregular patterns on my headphones in order to concentrate on a task. My brain tunes out the mayhem and focuses on the task at hand. Imagine a screen full of jumbled, ever changing imagery with a single fly crawling across it, but in sound. My brain will focus on the “fly” and blur out the rest because it makes no sense.
Listening to proper music has the opposite effect where it will immediately trigger my mental wanderings.
Could you share some examples of this type of music, please?
Not sure what Jo listens to but I recognized myself in his description.
You can lookup Sewerslvt (Mr.Kill Myself) for an exemple. I also listens to :
- Machine Girl (Try Krystle URL Cyberplace Mix)
- Goreshit (Try Fine Night or Black is the new black)
- Loffciamcore ( A little more hardcore than the others, try Eat Me)
Aside from the obvious Aphex Twin tracks, here is an old one I always liked. It gets progressively more broken halfway through, which is is a good example of what I mean.
I am glad to see us respect our link-aggregation heritage of ignoring the article and starting heated discussions based on what we infer from the headline. 😂
It also seems that the headline currently on the article is different and switches out clickbait tactics from misleading omission to absurd pearl-clutching: “Are noise-cancelling headphones to blame for young people’s hearing problems?” If you combine them, you get something closer to actual content of the article.
It also seems that the headline currently on the article is different and switches out
Both are present in the article; they don’t switch out. One is the title (as you can see in the title bar of a desktop web browser) and the other is the top-level heading of the text.
Looks like Lemmy picked up the former, which makes sense considering the document structure. BBC probably should have used the same phrase in both places.
I poked around a few other articles. A few are identical. Most are slight variations. Few are as different as these two. My guess would be that the original submission from the author or initial editor locks in a headline for the tab/title bar, but then the CMS lets them edit what appears in the main body of the webpage.
I’m not buying it that it is headphone-related. I wear headphones nearly all of the time, I’ve listened to music loudly for years on end, I’ve had to deal with loud screeches, loud noise wherever I go, lived and worked.
It is totally an environmental thing. Plus, the article had already wrapped up what the problem was and a normal hearing test came back negative.
But they haaaaaad to find a reason in the next line. Just had to.
Have fun. I have Tinnitus.
From just headphone use? No, disagreed. From loud music? I used it as an example, I don’t listen to loud music constantly as much anymore. You can’t avoid Tinnitus because even if you didn’t listen to loud music all of the time, being surrounded by loud noise in general will eventually get you there. I work in a store where people slam pallets down (for no stupid reason), screech pallet jacks, have noisy pallet jacks in general, ladder carts squeal and screech. We’re not allowed to protect our ears because “CONSOOMER FIRST” priority.
Plus, where I live, people slam their doors around, they holler, babies and kids throwing fits. Yeah, it doesn’t matter if I listen to loud music or not, I will develop Tinnitus because of the environments. It’s an environment thing.
We’re not allowed to protect our ears because “CONSOOMER FIRST” priority.
If you exposed to loud noises in your work environment (depending on the exposure time and loudness dB level), you should indeed protect your ears. In fact, by law your company should protect their employees from loud noise exposure and use proper hearing protection (so not the cheap stuff either).
If they don’t meet these standards, you have the right to report the issue to workplace safety authorities or your company’s health and safety officer. Employers are legally required to conduct noise assessments and provide adequate hearing protection, such as high-quality earmuffs or earplugs rated for the specific decibel levels in your work environment.
Trust me, if you are indeed exposed to loud noises can lead to irreversible hearing damage. I don’t care so much about hearing loss, but Tinnitus on the other hand is killing my live. My Tinnitus has had me in its grip for years now. I can’t commute to work anymore, I can’t just go and do fun things anymore, hack I can’t even join a birthday party when there are too many people. It is really suffering. And there is NO cure. #Tinnitus
they’re not saying it’s a headphones thing in general. they’re saying it may be a noise-cancelling headphones thing.
I kinda regard ANC and smart watches as pacifiers for adults. The real world is only going to hurt more the longer you stay attached to the teat.
Do you feel the same about other wearable tech, like clothes and shoes?
A bit with shoes if worn all the time. They destroy your arches, toe splay, and hip alignment with your spine. And you become dependant because your feet get so soft and sensitive. Plus people drag those dirty things all over their homes.
Calling shoes and clothes wearable tech is quite a stretch. Particularly compared to smart watches and headphones. Why did you make that false equivalence?
Plus people drag those dirty things all over their homes.
Yeah, I’m glad I married someone who’s adamant about not wearing shoes in the house.
Bad title. The article examines whether specifically noise-cancelling headphones may be involved in listening issues.
Oh boy I hope not, I love noise cancelation lol. I figure it’s gotta be better than upping the volume to override the noise around me.
The cause of Sophie’s APD diagnosis is unknown, but her audiologist believes the overuse of noise-cancelling headphones, which Sophie wears for up to five hours a day, could have a part to play.
So fucking stupid…
Kid grew up on a quiet farm in the countryside, then she moved to London and probably 100+ student plus lectures.
It’s not that noise cancelling headphones prevented her from developing normally, she developed in an environment like what we evolved to handle.
Then she got thrown into a cacophony of sound that is one of the planets largest/busiest cities…
And they act like she is the problem and not noise pollution?
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41370-024-00642-5
Noise pollution is fucking a lot of us up, and people who grew up with it are used to it, but that doesn’t stop the negative consequences of it. Someone that never had to deal with it is obviously going to have what looks like a sudden onset of a condition, but the person is fine.
The environment is the problem.
My tolerance of noise and light pollution has gone way the hell down as I have gotten older. I want to live in the woods at this point.
I feel so lucky, living in the country side where the closest road is 300m away, and the closest neighbour 250m from the house. It gets completely quiet in the summertime due to all the trees surrounding the property. It’s heaven on earth in the summer!
Yeah I keep trying to move to the woods but my wife wants to be around people for some reason lol
She is just an example, they say this issue is on the rise in general.
Five NHS audiology departments have told the BBC that there has been an increase in the number of young people referred to them from GPs with hearing issues - only to find their hearing is normal when tested and it is their ability to process sound that is struggling.
APD is more common in neurodivergent people, those who have suffered from a brain injury or had a middle-ear infection as a child. However, more patients with APD are presenting outside of those categories, leaving audiologists to question if external factors, such as noise-cancelling headphones, are contributing.
People are posting about wanting to run away to the woods but I think it’s important to remember that cities can be quiet.
Not that we should all move to Delft, but if we built infrastructure for people instead of cars cities wouldn’t be so fucking loud.
So this could be boiled down to “use or lose it”. Idk, maybe this might be part of it. Maybe a part of the prevalence of short form media blah blah attention span.
I pretty much never go outside without headphones now. I haven’t noticed any problems with comprehending speech or sounds like described here. Sensory issues (as in being easily overwhelmed) were long gone before I got addicted to headphones. However, mother complains I am constantly speaking too loud without even recognizing it, and blames it on my hearing loss. However, I KNOW my hearing is good, because I can still hear a subtle shrill sound of a power supply on the other end of the room, even loudly enough to be bothered by it! I wonder if this could be because of headphones, that just feels peculiar.
Yeah that could be, if the headphones make you sound quieter to yourself.
Personally I have the opposite problem, when I wear earplugs out at a loud venue, I can hear myself better and end up talking too quietly.
I mean this happens in conversations, after some time has passed since I’ve worn headphones.
WHAT?
HUH?
OKAAAY
I actually got this and now I feel terribly old. Thanks…
Did the boomboxes-next-to-heads and the walkmans of the '80s and discmans of the '90s not count? I think a lot of game boy users also used headhpones.
I actually didn’t use them that much at all, but I still have trouble hearing with background noise. Noise-cancelling headphones have actually been an amazing thing in my life because (a) it helps overstimulation and anxiety and (b) it actually helps me hear someone talking to me because it filters out the other stuff. I suspect my problems are a combination of mostly-neurological (ADHD and probably (though not officially) ASD) and maybe impacted by loud concerts and general aging-related stuff. I can still hear really high-pitched sounds and the like whereas many of my peers around my age and younger can’t as well, but it’s all mud to me when there’s a lot of sound.
this isn’t a hearing loss issue, the hypothesis is that noise-cancelling headphones specifically are causing our brains to not filter out random noises neurologically.
True. They also mention the person’s rural upbringing and then moving to the city. That mirrors my experience and my hearing issues pre-date using noise canceling headphones. I always had a rough time anywhere there were lots of people and noise, but it just wasn’t super common previously (I grew up in rural Ohio and have lived in some big US cities.followed by nearly a decade in Tokyo).
The woman in the article is also just a single example. They mention that this condition is on the rise in general.
I have ADHD and sometimes can’t focus to do more brain intensive work if I’m in a room with a bunch of people talking. Street/background noise doesn’t bother me at all. I grew up suburb rural adjacent but I’ve worked in huge cities for long periods and it just doesn’t bother me like six people having two conversations would.
ASD !(APD || ANC) FFS
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I had a pair of noise cancelling headphones when I was in like seventh or eighth grade, but when they broke, I just never ended up replacing them, and I’ve never had noise cancelling headphones ever since.
Maybe if they weren’t all in tiny cramped apartments with paper-thin walls and multiple roommates they wouldn’t need to wear headphones all the time.
Also, voice chat doesn’t work very well with speakers and microphone without a lot feedback.
I’m wondering if the cause and effect are the other way around, people that have trouble with noise (such as people with APD) might want noise cancelling headphones. The rise in cases of APD might indicate otherwise, but with the information provided, it sounds like it might be under-diagnosed anyway.
The first thing many people used to assume is that if you had any problems with listening, you might be somewhat deaf. APD and other difficulties listening definitely aren’t deafness, but I wonder if there is increased awareness of other reasons why someone might have difficulty understanding speech.
I knew earphones made you lose your hearing faster but headphones causing issues too? Guess the only safe option are speakers :/
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