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When did 'Murica, land of the free, abandon freedom for madness?
Oh, I got this one! Pick me, pick me!
Mexico, Samoa, Hawaii, Philippeans, Columbia, Hondurus, Cuba, Nicaragua, Mexico (again), Haiti, Dominican Republic, Russia, Greece, Costa Rica, Albania, Syria, Egypt, Guatemala, Iran, Syria (again), Indonesia, Iraq, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Cuba (again), Congo, Dominican Republic (again), Iraq (again), Guyana, Brazil, Chile, Bolivia, Angola, East Timor, Argentina, Afghanistan, Nicaragua (again), Granada, Panama, the USSR, Iraq (again again), Haiti (again), Yugoslavia, Afghanistan (again), Venezuela, Iraq (again again again), Haiti (again again), Palestine (continuously), Syria (again again), Libya, Bolivia (again), Venezuela (again)
Can’t help but to sing along
I gotta organize them to make them more singable sometime.
More importantly, why is EU Gandalf supporting so many pro-Sauron leaders when they have USA Saruman’s fall as a cautionary tale right in front of them?
2016
Yeah, America was fine before that, just ask Iraq, lol. (and Afghanistan, Libya, Vietnam, Indonesia, Korea, Chile, Panama, Cambodia, Iran, Palestine, etc)
Murica, land of the free, was founded by people who owned slaves. While speaking about the evils of slavery.
So the madness was always there.
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The USA has been the bad guy since, like, 1952. Hell, it was post-Soviet Russia that joined with The United States back in the post-9/11 War on Terror period. And the Europeans aren’t Gandalf. You are a serf. Bitch, you live in Alsace. You are a peasant. You need to give your fuckin’ lord the grain. Your fucking children, you’ve had 15 children. You’ve never taken a bath. You’ve literally never. washed. your. penis. You’ve never used toilet paper. Motherfucker, you have worms. You are dying. You’ve had 40 children, 3 of them are alive. 2 of them are child soldiers in the Duke’s army.
Bitch, the greatest thing you can hope for is to die at the old age of 36. You fucking can’t read. You don’t know what TV is. If you were transported into today, you would be the worst gamer of all time. You don’t know shit. You literally probably don’t even know what the direction ‘left’ is. I’m sure some Medieval guy is gonna get mad at me for this, bitch I’ve been to the Renaissance Fair. I’ve eaten a large turkey wing, which the Juggalos call ‘bitch beaters’, which I think is problematic but a funny thing to call them.
Motherfucker, you gotta recognize where you are, and then you gotta get passed that. You gotta be unemotional. You can’t sink into this hole. You live in the oubliette. Your job is to crawl up the ladder, motherfucker. You live in the HOLE. You’re in the HOLE. You are a RAT. And the rat, when he’s in the hole gets fucked. People only throw trash in the hole.
You need to eat a body. And you need to carry the plague. And you need to carry a plague around this whole world, that will change this whole fuckin world. And all your enemies will vomit black bile and will choke on blood and will grow boils and die. But only if you get together with your other RATS. And you come up with some kind of super plague, to fuckin end your enemies and…
End. This. Nightmare.
Get better soon.
It was right around the time he got shot and made that fake fist pump. Also when he started considering that scum bag - obama a friend.
I don’t like Putin, but showing serious political situations as blockbuster movies is a bit distasteful.
Haven’t you heard? All politics can be explained through comparison to Harry Potter, Starwars, or Lord of the Rings.
Pffft… Nowhere near as distasteful as Donald Trump turning the USA into a nation that’s all about betraying allies for money.
Oh, my friend
How did you come
To trade the fiddle for the drum
The US is just Helldivers 2 in real life. A democracy managed by Elon Musk and people ready to die for „liberty“, „prosperity“ and „freedom“.
Don’t make me feel bad about my beloved Helldivers!
Sorry to say most people don’t get it or starship troopers.
Don’t feel bad. It’s not the devs fault that we live in a strange timeline
You do understand that Helldivers is a satire of America? This didn’t change in 2024. The Helldivers yell about freedom and democracy while having zero meaningful freedom or political influence, and invading other places to steal their oil or murder them for being communists because that is what Americans do.
We live in a country that was stolen then we stole some other people so they could do the work for us. Then conquering half a continent wasn’t good enough for us, so we went around ruining other places if they didn’t want to give us all their stuff. If people think we only recently crossed a line, I’d generously hope they were just ignorant because the alternative is horrific. Every piece of the past is a step that got us to where we are.
I’m starting to think the same thing, if you go over US foreign policy since WW2 it is almost like the mask is just coming off entirely now.
America did a lot of bad stuff, to put it mildly. This is definitely something else though.
I agree, that’s what I mean by it just going mask off, there’s no pretending about a probable cause of higher moral path etc this time.
What? You’re welcome for all that world peace and prosperity since ww2. It is about time Europe started to share this burden.
It’s pretty disingenuous to act like the US took sole credit, or that Europe didn’t share in the burden of WW2.
Plus re:world peace - the USA has been involved in 32 wars since WW2 ended, none of them on American soil.
Check the numbers. Those are vastly tiny compared to ww1 and ww2. Small policing actions are necessary to keep dictators in line.
There wouldn’t be a ww2 without Europe. Their faulty treaties and failure to stop dictators led to the conflict. America cleaned it up.
Does Vietnam fall under “small policing actions that are necessary to keep dictators in line?”
Yes. Extremely low casualty rate compared to ww2.
K bud.
Have you seen the numbers or are you throwing an opinion out there?
oh yes, the small policing action known as The Cold War that almost ended the human civilization
When did the United states and the Soviet union fight?
followed right up with the friendly local copper checking in on Iraq and Afghanistan as a social call
Sorry to burst that bubble, but just because you were never taught about the things they’re talking about doesn’t mean they didn’t happen.
It just means your education system, like most, is run by nationalists that care more aboutv using mythology to make more nationalists than about conveying historical fact.
Lol national mythology
Europe must join together send to shit USA and go full Gandalf the White
May I suggest to evaluate the idea to side with Russia and go full homeland vs newland. I mean EU + Russia sided with China could smash the old USA. If USA leaves NATO the rest of NATO could integrate Russia. Top notch superpower, with a little topping of democracy. TL DR What if EU + RU Vs USA ?
I mean it’s easier for logistics once you build proper infrastructure. Better than an ocean
But don’t mind this comment nor take it seriously, what I want is no more wars.
Peace
For you ukraine doesn’t matter?
This whole template implies that Russia is Sauron. I wouldnt side with it.
Of course It matters, as anyone. I was thinking if USA leave NATO what if we side with Russia, we as EU Ukraine included. But I’m not thinking of military strategy but an hypothetical scenario that would result as a no death stability of the new biggest, triumvirate between China Europe and Russia. Hopefully thinking that those countries are more inclined to have more civilized manners and thus permeable to democratic values.
“What if we abandon siding with one authoritarian and side with a different authoritarian” is not the good argument you seem to think it is.
we side with Russia, we as EU Ukraine included
Become part of Russia’s empire is the only way this works.
You are right and I am wishing for a third way, as equals as in EU. With Russia in EU the congress gonna be so much fun. They already are with one foot (Hungary), Serbia also would be dragged in ending the balcanization by making really peaceful. EU would have access to raw materials. Russia to cutting edge theory and tech. Lesser partner would be china!
Russia needs to fundamentally change for that to happen. Maybe even disintegrate a lose much of their central and eastern asian territory. Russia is too big to be easily integrated into europe.
Yes, I agree but maybe some day Putin will leave the charge either voluntarily or by dying. What will happen then? Elections? Succession?
Murica was never free, has always been madness
All states are tyranny, agreed.
True but if you don’t have an army you’ll quickly become a slave to others who do have an army
We were freed from England. Slaves were freed from slavery. But, no, we were never freed from plutocracy. We’ve made attempts, though. There will always be someone trying to opress. There will always be a culture of servitude because in service of others power is concentrated.
Although, America has continued to fight for its freedom. Sometimes winning. Sometimes losing. As a result Americans have experienced more freedom than those who came before.
Although, America has continued to fight for its freedom. Sometimes winning. Sometimes losing. As a result Americans have experienced more freedom than those who came before.
Most brainwashed people on earth.
Americans have experienced more freedom than those who came before.
How are Americans more free than the native people that were on the continent before Europeans arrived?
Answer: They aren’t
Ok.
You really won the morality dick measuring contest we weren’t having.
I said America was never free and you said
Americans have experienced more freedom than those who came before.
Why are your acting like you weren’t clearly disagreeing with me?
Slavery in the British Empire ended a generation before slavery ended in the US.
Sorry, but USA was founded on hypocrisy, pretty words about freedom and equality set down on paper by slave masters.
Everyone else in the world knows you get freedom by voting for it in election after election. Only Americans believe that freedom is granted by deified slave masters.
Sorry, was your argument the British empire is more free than America?
Edit: also did you just call the gibberish that comes out my mouth flowery?
Seek help.
Americans have experienced more freedom than those who came before.
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I dunno read a book.
What books are you reading that you think 1776 was about anyone’s freedom except for the bourgeoisie’s freedom to exploit the working class and genocide the natives?
That’s not to say the people who did the fighting and dying didn’t think they were fighting for freedom, just that they were surprised when they were disenfranchised by property requirements and laws that favored the big bourgeoisie over themselves. You may remember Shays Rebellion and the Whiskey Rebellion?
If you’re looking for further reading, The Counter Revolution of 1776 is a good one.
You’re proving my point by 1856 all states had removed the property ownership requirement for whites.
Please, just the bare minium reading comprehension next time you try to engage someone.
by 1856 all states had removed the property ownership requirement for whites.
The purpose of that was to marginalize the freed slaves and keep the working class divided. The removal of the requirement wasn’t because a faction in power decided it would be nice and create a freer society, but because it gave them further power.
To quote LBJ a century later: “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”
Please, just the bare minium reading comprehension next time you try to engage someone.
Don’t condescend when you haven’t read shit on a subject.
Do I need to walk you through every event that happened post 1856? Women sufferage, civil rights, this is my entire contention you clod. Just go away. You are not engaging in good faith.
Legend says it started with Trump getting a dirty sanchez in a Moscow brothel.
I was there the day the strength of men failed.
It’s not analogy, it’s allegory. It applies too well to the world.
I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.
Downvoted for disliking allegory.
You downvoting granda Tolkien?
I’ll do it again
It’s a Tolkien quote about his buddy CS Lewis’s Narnia and he’s up his own ass in it.
True. But in 21st century colloquial speech, a linguist would have to admit that, descriptively, “widely applicable” and “allegorical” are nearly synonymous. But I’m also a fan of the quote, history does not often repeat itself - but it rhymes. So whether it’s fictional history or rough allegory, the end result is the same.
in 21st century colloquial speech, a linguist would have to admit that, descriptively, “widely applicable” and “allegorical” are nearly synonymous
Ha. You’re the second person to have suggested that, so maybe there is something to it. But to be honest I’m not sure I agree. I don’t think I’d ever use the term allegory without authorial intent. (But to save repeating myself, I’ll just direct you to my reply to @[email protected].)
Or, at the very least, even if you are inclined to disregard authorial intent, there’s still a subtle difference between allegory and applicability in that allegory requires an almost direct one-to-one relationship between the text and various elements of the real world, while applicability can be much more subtle or broad strokes. Basically, applicability is a broader term than allegory, a superset.
Dear sir, may I refer you to my previous rebuttal to the esteemed colleague @[email protected]
I can’t xD
The fuck you on about, mate? You got a problem with allegories?
I dunno if you’re just memeing or if you genuinely don’t know.
In case it’s the latter…I posted a fairly famous quote from the author responsible for the text this community is based on.
Fun fact: allegory had a different meaning back when Tolkien lived. Language evolved. Tolkien never mentioned hating what allegory now means - an interpretation of a story by the audience as representative of another issue. In fact, he said he was a fan of that sort of thing in your quote.
I’m not sure that I agree it has changed. To me, an allegory implies authorial intent. Some classic examples being Tolkien’s friend Lewis whose Narnia novels were an allegory for Christianity, George Orwell’s Animal Farm, an allegory for early Communist USSR, or The Crucible by Arthur Miller, an allegory for America’s red scare.
If it isn’t done with authorial intent, it’s still absolutely possible to be a valid reading of the text that there are parallels, but IMO that’s no longer an allegory.
The Matrix is a trans allegory, despite the fact that neither of the Wachowskis knew they were trans at that time. They put their feelings of gender confusion, dysphoria, and euphoria into the movie, despite not understanding those feelings. And it made it a masterpiece. That’s proof allegory doesn’t require intent.
