What’s the worst - Discord doesn’t seem to provide any particular convenience over Mumble for voice calls while playing games or anything else. Just being in one app in one place is its advantage.
It’s like Telegram, just better quality, worse optimization, more moderation.
i know there was a thing at the beginning of the project where they wrote a lot of the documentation with masculine pronouns (assuming the reader was male), and when they were asked to change that for gender neutral pronouns, they said no because “they don’t want politics in their project”
beyond that however, idk if they eventually changed that or if they did other bad stuff
Not really. A random person submitted a PR with just one pronoun change in the code comments (not the documentation, and not anything remotely visible to the end user).
The developer rejected the (useless, in my opinion) PR.
TBH, it is very difficult to me differentiating between the different flavors of authoritarians.
Maybe someone can make an easy to understand comparison matrix? You know, “Kills people because they have a different opinion.”, “Suppresses minorities.”, etc.
There’s basically ideologues versus hateful people versus indifferent sociopaths (overlap is common)
I consider political ideologues and “technocrats” and extremely pedantic rule-following bureaucrats to be different flavors of ideologues (has a specific worldview they try to enforce / uphold)
Fascism, just like Communism or even a Dictatorships are not inherently bad.
We as humans key in on the oppressive authoritarianism of them as the evil in the system.
That’s why I’d recommend you lump them all together as “oppressive authoritarianism” until one of them proves us otherwise, and not to need to find the nuances between them to prove they’re bad.
In their defense, if everyone was perfect everything would be perfect.
But you’re absolutely right. As long as humans are human there’s no way to separate human nature from authority. And as a result, any system that doesn’t strictly limit scope and authority is inherently bad.
In their defense, if everyone was perfect everything would be perfect.
Right, but fascism could not exist in that kind of world because it’s based, at least partially, on exploiting inequalities to turn citizens against an “other” (usually already-marginalized groups at first). So if “everyone was perfect,” there would never be the right conditions for fascism to take root.
Fascism, just like Communism or even a Dictatorships are not inherently bad.
Absolutely incorrect. Without getting into anything about the viability of a “good” dictatorship, that’s a different discussion… Fascism is absolutely inherently bad. The entire ideology is based on: lies, hatred, discrimination, oppression, censorship, unjust hierarchies, desire and ability to eliminate large swathes of their own population based on some inconsequential aspect of who they fundamentally are, etc.
It’s folly (at best… dangerous at worst) to equate fascism with far-left ideologies, or even include them in the same league when it comes to evilness.
Not a single aspect of socialism as it exists in theory, so to speak, is objectively bad/evil. What happens is evil people use it as a vehicle to seize power. On the contrary, fascism is evil to the core. There is not a single redeeming factor to it.
While you might not agree with the methods of the “far left” (I certainly don’t w.r.t. tankies), the ideology of socialism is based on: worker’s rights, egalitarianism, equity, social safety nets, mutual aid, etc.
Nothing about it “in theory” is anything remotely close to evil. Now compare that with fascism…
I’ve recently been reading some anarchist texts (Emma Goldman, Kropotkin…), and I really like a lot of their ideas. Love the way Kropotkin writes too.
However (and to be clear, I’m sure I’ve barely scratched the surface), the past decade or two has had a profound effect on my opinion of people in general, and their ability (and/or desire) to organize and self-regulate at such a scale. As such, anarchism just does not seem like a viable solution in the modern world.
As we’ve seen, even with our relatively structured, centralized, government, so much of it was just so easily steamrolled by a handful of bad actors. Our “checks and balances” turned out to just be empty words.
If anything, the past couple of decades has made it abundantly clear to me that what we need is a strong federal government where nothing is based on good faith, or social norms, but actual rule of law. No, it shouldn’t be optional to release your financials. No, you should not be able to just ignore it when your chode son-in-law’s security clearance is denied like a dozen times. No, you don’t get to just do whatever the fuck you want because you were elected President.
How do we stop that without some kind of centralized government?
And yes, I understand the dangers here… But it could be done right. South Korea seems to know how to deal with coup attempts. Same with Brazil…
I hate it so much, even when I NEED to go there for help and support, I know I’m lonely the tenth person to ask the same question. I honestly don’t know why so many people love this way of support, just document it!
I’m with you. I install Legcord now so that I don’t have to install that shitty application on my actual computer. I highly recommend it for those communities that refuse to use anything else!
crying in decentralization efforts
What’s the worst - Discord doesn’t seem to provide any particular convenience over Mumble for voice calls while playing games or anything else. Just being in one app in one place is its advantage.
It’s like Telegram, just better quality, worse optimization, more moderation.
The Discord-based “support” makes it a “meh.” The main devs alt-right BS makes it a “hard pass.”
Alt right bs?
Is there any source for this?
i know there was a thing at the beginning of the project where they wrote a lot of the documentation with masculine pronouns (assuming the reader was male), and when they were asked to change that for gender neutral pronouns, they said no because “they don’t want politics in their project”
beyond that however, idk if they eventually changed that or if they did other bad stuff
edit: here is a source
Not really. A random person submitted a PR with just one pronoun change in the code comments (not the documentation, and not anything remotely visible to the end user).
The developer rejected the (useless, in my opinion) PR.
Lemmy was created by a tankie, many of whose opinions I abhor.
As long as it’s FOSS and doesn’t inherently promote their beliefs, I will use the software.
I agree it’s not great and I’d prefer if it weren’t made by imbeciles
Tankies are annoying, but they’re not on the same level as fascists.
TBH, it is very difficult to me differentiating between the different flavors of authoritarians.
Maybe someone can make an easy to understand comparison matrix? You know, “Kills people because they have a different opinion.”, “Suppresses minorities.”, etc.
There’s basically ideologues versus hateful people versus indifferent sociopaths (overlap is common)
I consider political ideologues and “technocrats” and extremely pedantic rule-following bureaucrats to be different flavors of ideologues (has a specific worldview they try to enforce / uphold)
Fascism, just like Communism or even a Dictatorships are not inherently bad.
We as humans key in on the oppressive authoritarianism of them as the evil in the system.
That’s why I’d recommend you lump them all together as “oppressive authoritarianism” until one of them proves us otherwise, and not to need to find the nuances between them to prove they’re bad.
No offense but what the fuck are you even saying
Fascism is absolutely inherently bad, there is no removal of its evil, oppressive, and authoritarian traits after which anything is left.
In their defense, if everyone was perfect everything would be perfect.
But you’re absolutely right. As long as humans are human there’s no way to separate human nature from authority. And as a result, any system that doesn’t strictly limit scope and authority is inherently bad.
Right, but fascism could not exist in that kind of world because it’s based, at least partially, on exploiting inequalities to turn citizens against an “other” (usually already-marginalized groups at first). So if “everyone was perfect,” there would never be the right conditions for fascism to take root.
Absolutely incorrect. Without getting into anything about the viability of a “good” dictatorship, that’s a different discussion… Fascism is absolutely inherently bad. The entire ideology is based on: lies, hatred, discrimination, oppression, censorship, unjust hierarchies, desire and ability to eliminate large swathes of their own population based on some inconsequential aspect of who they fundamentally are, etc.
It’s folly (at best… dangerous at worst) to equate fascism with far-left ideologies, or even include them in the same league when it comes to evilness. Not a single aspect of socialism as it exists in theory, so to speak, is objectively bad/evil. What happens is evil people use it as a vehicle to seize power. On the contrary, fascism is evil to the core. There is not a single redeeming factor to it.
While you might not agree with the methods of the “far left” (I certainly don’t w.r.t. tankies), the ideology of socialism is based on: worker’s rights, egalitarianism, equity, social safety nets, mutual aid, etc.
Nothing about it “in theory” is anything remotely close to evil. Now compare that with fascism…
Both facists and tankies have genocided disabled people and selectively killed anarchists.
As a disabled anarchist, they end up seeming pretty similar to me.
As a disabled non-anarchist, fuck both parties
As a non-disabled non-anarchist, yeah fuck them
I’ve recently been reading some anarchist texts (Emma Goldman, Kropotkin…), and I really like a lot of their ideas. Love the way Kropotkin writes too.
However (and to be clear, I’m sure I’ve barely scratched the surface), the past decade or two has had a profound effect on my opinion of people in general, and their ability (and/or desire) to organize and self-regulate at such a scale. As such, anarchism just does not seem like a viable solution in the modern world.
As we’ve seen, even with our relatively structured, centralized, government, so much of it was just so easily steamrolled by a handful of bad actors. Our “checks and balances” turned out to just be empty words.
If anything, the past couple of decades has made it abundantly clear to me that what we need is a strong federal government where nothing is based on good faith, or social norms, but actual rule of law. No, it shouldn’t be optional to release your financials. No, you should not be able to just ignore it when your chode son-in-law’s security clearance is denied like a dozen times. No, you don’t get to just do whatever the fuck you want because you were elected President.
How do we stop that without some kind of centralized government?
And yes, I understand the dangers here… But it could be done right. South Korea seems to know how to deal with coup attempts. Same with Brazil…
mbin is better.
Hell, even worse, crying in the lost information. Discord is a black hole where community knowledge goes to die.
It’s the worst.
I hate it so much, even when I NEED to go there for help and support, I know I’m lonely the tenth person to ask the same question. I honestly don’t know why so many people love this way of support, just document it!
Why always discord… Why!!!
because a turn key platform they don’t have to self host and maintain frees them up to do the work.
Oh shit. I despise Discord, why not a normal forum?!
I’m with you. I install Legcord now so that I don’t have to install that shitty application on my actual computer. I highly recommend it for those communities that refuse to use anything else!
You don’t have to install anything. It’s a website. I don’t understand why people install the app (or any app that is a website in a wrapper).
Might want to look into Legcord, because it is definitely more than just a wrapper, friend.