like how long has it been since the first evidence of trump russian ties was public 😭 almost 40 years? the abject hatred of “libs” from the far far left is clearly blinding and i wish more people would see that
Truth be told, I don’t even know what an actual far left is. I always saw the left-right spectrum as woefully asymmetrical, because there’s a handful of ways of getting things right (as in being correct factually + morally) and a million ways of getting them wrong. The former generally aligns with “left”, and the latter with “right”.
I’ve seen some vile opinions from people supposedly on the left which were indistinguishable from the far right, and it starts like you said with this irrational need to avoid agreeing with liberals at all costs, which in time leads them down delusion avenue.
I’m not a fan of Horseshoe Theory. It’s very handwavey and kind of implies centrism is the way to go, and I don’t agree with that at all. I think the status quo is crap and needs to be changed… quite a lot actually.
Anyway, I think there’s a brand of what’s generally called leftism that’s correct, and I think it’s somewhere in the libleft quadrant, if we’re to go by the political compass. And the further from that you go, the more “wrong” you start to get by giving more power to either the state (authleft), corporations (libright) or an unholy alliance of both (authright). Really, all of these to me are ways of being wrong by bestowing extreme unaccountable power to some institution or institutions, when the key should be accountability and avoiding the concentration of power (which includes wealth) into a few unelected unaccountable hands. Either of the three extremes, apart from the lower left, gives you some form of fascism, by which I mean things like: cult of personality, cult of work, making people’s well-being secondary to some abstract goals/principles like the state or meritocracy, that sort of stuff.
I don’t think that’s Horseshoe Theory though… is it?
Somebody might call it stethoscope theory, but I think that’s mostly a joke. Those other quadrants you’re talking about are not really on the left, they just pretend to be because it makes them seem more appealing. I mean, even the nazis pretended to be socialists. They just don’t get much purchase when they’re honest about what they want to do to poor people.
I didn’t think I’d see the day Mike admitted a mistake like that. Times are dire, folks…
like how long has it been since the first evidence of trump russian ties was public 😭 almost 40 years? the abject hatred of “libs” from the far far left is clearly blinding and i wish more people would see that
and Trump has been in power 40 days lol. A little over a month. Not even 3% of his term.
Truth be told, I don’t even know what an actual far left is. I always saw the left-right spectrum as woefully asymmetrical, because there’s a handful of ways of getting things right (as in being correct factually + morally) and a million ways of getting them wrong. The former generally aligns with “left”, and the latter with “right”.
I’ve seen some vile opinions from people supposedly on the left which were indistinguishable from the far right, and it starts like you said with this irrational need to avoid agreeing with liberals at all costs, which in time leads them down delusion avenue.
You’re describing the Horseshoe Theory. Personally, I’m a fan of the Political Compass.
I’m not a fan of Horseshoe Theory. It’s very handwavey and kind of implies centrism is the way to go, and I don’t agree with that at all. I think the status quo is crap and needs to be changed… quite a lot actually.
Anyway, I think there’s a brand of what’s generally called leftism that’s correct, and I think it’s somewhere in the libleft quadrant, if we’re to go by the political compass. And the further from that you go, the more “wrong” you start to get by giving more power to either the state (authleft), corporations (libright) or an unholy alliance of both (authright). Really, all of these to me are ways of being wrong by bestowing extreme unaccountable power to some institution or institutions, when the key should be accountability and avoiding the concentration of power (which includes wealth) into a few unelected unaccountable hands. Either of the three extremes, apart from the lower left, gives you some form of fascism, by which I mean things like: cult of personality, cult of work, making people’s well-being secondary to some abstract goals/principles like the state or meritocracy, that sort of stuff.
I don’t think that’s Horseshoe Theory though… is it?
Somebody might call it stethoscope theory, but I think that’s mostly a joke. Those other quadrants you’re talking about are not really on the left, they just pretend to be because it makes them seem more appealing. I mean, even the nazis pretended to be socialists. They just don’t get much purchase when they’re honest about what they want to do to poor people.