Hi all, thank you for reading my post. modlod link
Clocks got banned first after suggesting that the OP try to be a genuine friend and try to find some common cause in real life rather than alienating people over abstract geopolitical factionalism:
I raised the issue that censoring earnest advice as ‘tankie apologia’ and preemtively writing off any common cause/ isolating people is no way to win people over either as friends or comrades.
I then got banned for this one, for continuing to find ‘the tankie triad’ extremely silly:
yeah that’s the context, I was just laughing because:
- only Lemmy users with an axe to grind call them that
- it sounds really silly, like they’re a nemesis to dr venture.
- I’m supposed to be the melodramatic one yet every day I get one-upped 😔
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I’m not here to tell them how to run their comm, my position is that this is way more draconian than anything I’ve run into in any of ‘the tankie triad’. The same groups of people loudly complaining about censorship on ‘tankie’ run instances don’t seem to have a problem enforcing vague/arbitrary vibes based censorship in their spaces.
I’m opposed to all inter-capitalist wars. Sounds like the real issue is that I have a nuanced take on Ukraine in my post history more so than any of the things I said in the thread.
The advice on offer in that thread reeks of terminally online in a way that is extremely unlikely to accomplish anything productive in real life other than isolating yourself into increasingly small cliques.
Maybe you should add “no dissent allowed” to the rules so it’s more clear that it’s a cj comm
I got “nuanced” and “terminally online”, now I just need ”reactionary” for my tankie bingo card.
We already have a no authoritarian rule in the sidebar, so that won’t be necessary
If you’re openly saying that you don’t tolerate any dissent in your community, then it sounds like you’re acting as an authoritarian. Perhaps it’s time to ban yourself 🤔
What an assboggling stupid take. I gotta credit you, it takes real skill to be so dumb.
Even outside of this specific instance, they’re saying any dissenting opinion can result in a ban. If you think it’s normal, you can enjoy your echo chambers.
Not tolerating tankies doesn’t make it an echo chamber any more than not tolerating nazis does. That’s such a bullshit argument, and tankies always use it. You’re probably patting yourself on the back right now, but to the rest of Lemmy you just look like a particularly satisfied idiot.
Not tolerating tankies and not tolerating any dissent are two completely different things. I’m specifically calling out the later. When suggested to add a “no dissent rule”, the mod respond that they already had that covered. It sounds like reddit-admin kind of behavior.
That is not what they said, you fucking liar. They very clearly said they had a “no authoritarianism” rule. The “no dissent” bullshit was @[email protected] stupidity. At no point did they ban dissent, nor did they say they were.
You idiots are making up lies to argue against just because you got your little tankie feelings hurt.
why are you so hysterical about this? everyone is talking about this normally and you come in raging lol its kinda funny ngl
Their exact words are still there, so there would be no point in lying about it. The exchange reads:
It’s may just be a joke, but it is clearly equating authoritarianism and dissent. That is all I was commenting on. I don’t care about the fate of Diva or the banning of tankies. I just thought this back and forth was funny and ironic. I hope you get the chance to relax this weekend.
What a truly dumb argument.
Anyways, like many I consider it solved with the contract of tolerance. You aren’t covered by the contract anymore if you go not tolerating people. Any benefits extended to you by the contract only apply as long as you agree to be tolerant.
We also ban for transphobia or for being a fascist. Is that banning all dissent as well?
From your other responses to this post, it seems like your primary beef with Diva was their anti-war stances in their post history. You can’t play the paradox-of-tolerance card in response to that. To make your other strawmen relatable, are you saying Diva’s comments are in any way fascist or transphobic? I haven’t seen any intolerance in Diva’s posts.
What I’m directly responding to is the exchange with the “no dissent allowed” rule suggestion, and you basically saying you already got that covered. Squashing all dissent is authoritarian, and you referenced your “no authoritarian” rule when responding with this. I don’t believed I ever joined in one of these PTB discussions before, but this was just too much. Can you not see the irony?
My issue was not primarily the anti war stance, but that in combination with staunchly defending tankies. Tankies are intolerant by their very nature (as in their ideology is intolerant), and so Diva was banned for defending the intolerant and for likely being a tankie herself.
Looking over her comments here I am less sure that she is a tankie, but she for sure thinks being one is okay and is really into defending them. Again, the point of the anti-tankie rules is to not give tankies a platform.
Sure, it’s your community, so you ban who you like. You don’t need to justify it to me.
I tried steering the conversation back to my actual point, but it seems like all that was ignored. I thought your rule exchange was funny and incredibly ironic. You might enjoy banning any dissenting opinions, but don’t be surprised when that earns you an “authoritarian” label.
Banning authoritarians doesn’t make one an authoritarian. It just means you don’t appreciate their murderous end-justifies-the-means ideology.
but I didn’t think diva is an authoritarian
Absolutely, I don’t disagree at all. But by claiming to not tolerate any dissenting opinion, you are not “banning authoritarians”; instead, you are becoming the very thing you declared hatred for. I havent seen any evidence that Diva is authoritarian.
Instead, I’ve seen a mod openly claim that any dissenting opinions would result in a ban; and this would only result in the further developement of an echochamber.