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Clocks got banned first after suggesting that the OP try to be a genuine friend and try to find some common cause in real life rather than alienating people over abstract geopolitical factionalism:
I raised the issue that censoring earnest advice as ‘tankie apologia’ and preemtively writing off any common cause/ isolating people is no way to win people over either as friends or comrades.
I then got banned for this one, for continuing to find ‘the tankie triad’ extremely silly:
yeah that’s the context, I was just laughing because:
- only Lemmy users with an axe to grind call them that
- it sounds really silly, like they’re a nemesis to dr venture.
- I’m supposed to be the melodramatic one yet every day I get one-upped 😔
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I’m not here to tell them how to run their comm, my position is that this is way more draconian than anything I’ve run into in any of ‘the tankie triad’. The same groups of people loudly complaining about censorship on ‘tankie’ run instances don’t seem to have a problem enforcing vague/arbitrary vibes based censorship in their spaces.
For anyone wondering why we have such strict rules regarding tankies in our community, it’s because they have a tendency to try to worm their way into leftist spaces. Tankies constantly try to convince everyone that they are leftists and that being opposed to working with them is “leftist infighting”, yet they will defend nation states which oppress unions, commit genocides, or do straight up imperialism. All the same things that capitalist nations do. They either embrace these things or deny they happened, or explain that they were somehow necessary. Some are earnest in how they try to convince others, and some know their stances are not popular and try to be subtle.
Tankies are not leftists, and disagreeing with them is not arbitrary. Based on this we have decided to not platform them on 196. This is mentioned in the sidebar and anyone who does not like this is free to go elsewhere. Additionally, we usually give a warning if the infringing comments are not too bad. Both instances posted about here were instances where they were warned yet continued with their behavior.
Edit: We also don’t mind tankies being active on 196, we only mind them defending tankies or proselytizing.
If Marxists are not leftist, I do not know who is.
I described authoritarians. Socialists, communists, and anarchists are not tankies unless they defend authoritarian regimes.
but diva didn’t do that
Name one instance of real life communism that wasn’t authoritarian.
Well, they have dominated Marxist politics for quite a while, and I am not sure you can say they are not leftists because they are authoritarian, they have a lot more in common ideologically with other Marxists/socialists than the right, just because they prefer certain methods does not mean they are not leftists, and they do have traits that have always been associated with leftism, like opposition to tradition, monarchy, even capitalism, desire for revolution, etc.
If the “certain methods” they prefer are killing all other leftists when they get into power, then they don’t get to hang out in our spaces. Do you even understand how stupid that sounds?
Just because you do not want them near your spaces does not mean they are not leftists.
I understand perfectly well how stupid that sounds, possibly better than you.
Just as long as you’re aware of your stupidity, bootlicker.
I am not a Marxist.
Very rude behaviour from you lot, I hope it is not representative of the character of your movement.
Being a bootlicker has nothing to do with Marxism. If you don’t know what words mean, do not use them.
based on my observations so far pretty much everyone getting called ‘tankie’ on lemmy is a leftist, and many of the people most vocally opposed to ‘tankies’ on lemmy act a lot like crypto fascists.
I for sure have seen liberals throwing that word around thinking commie and tankie are interchangeable. We however use the term correctly.
My experience is that those that complain the loudest about this tend to be obvious tankies in their comment history. I’ve seen many be angry at how the word is used and then have posts on .ml where they proudly call themselves a tankie.
Most of the people we ban are worse than you, and call ukrainians vermins, some deny the tiananmen square massacre, or make bogus claims about how communist the CCP or russia today is. They are almost always from .ml.
.ml absolutely has a problem with tankies. That you continue to believe that most tankies are just leftists or that your stance on ukraine is not problematic makes it pretty clear who you are.
I’m ‘problematic’ because I have had family directly affected. As a result I am not going to be dogmatically committed to seeing a war prolonged when all that is being accomplished is normal people dying on both sides while war industries and profiteers make money hand over fist.
The only wars that don’t end with diplomacy are the ones where we all end up dead.
Ok, well the war could end today if Putin leaves. The only nation not trying to end it is Russia. They started it, and they’re prolonging it.
But I suppose it has been awhile since a Russian ruler has killed millions of his own people, Putin probably figured it was due.